230kw At The Wheels On R33 Gts25t?

[K-LESS]

Hey all

Since ive lost my licence for 6 months ive decided to start modding my 1996 R33 gts25t a bit more.

Current Mods are:

3 Inch Exausht from Turbo

Apexi Pod Filter

Front Mount intercooler

Aftermarket Radiator

38mm Tial Wastegate

Have got the following but not installed yet:

SAFC2

RSM

HKS EVC-S

Nismo Fuel Pump

Nismo FPR

Splitfire Coilpacks

Nismo Strut Brace

I would like to achieve around 220 - 230kw at the rear wheels and after searching and looking through various results that others have got and the RB25det Turbo Upgrade Thread I noticed that some people have high flowed their stock turbos and using stock injectors and afm with safc2 they have made any where between 200kw - 230kw.

Questions are:

1.I thought that the stock injectors and afm would have been maxed out at 230kw? I ask this because I am suprised that people are making 230kw+ using safc2 and aftermarket turbo.

2. Have seen people using all sorts of different turbos. What would be good options for this power level? Standard Turbo High Flowed, garrett gt3071r? Any other recomendations would be cool. Idealy something that bolts onto stock manifold and requires no modification or very little modification.

3. What kinda boost would be suitable to run to make this power level?

4. Will the safc2 be enough or will I also benift from getting a sitc?

5. If there are people who are achieving similar figures or have been down this road it would be great if you could post details of your mods and power made and boost run. Also are there any things to watch out for or any other recommended mods I need to make.

I have about 5k to play with but I would also like to use this to get a decent suspension setup. Ideally just want to make a nice streeter which I can also take to the track and drag strip to. Any advice would be great.

Cheers

Kailaas

[roadworia]

hks 2530/ gt2530 i've got one on my rb25 and its really responsive and makes the power level you're looking for.

[andymoocow]

I'd do suspension first, but thats just me. PLENTY of coilovers out there you can buy, however lots of SAU Skyline owners have Bilsteins in their R33, as i do, this kit is great value for money, the Bilstein Kit, its height adjustable and is a great setup for a street R33. Plus Dan from ERD is great to deal with.

http://www.erd.com.au/index.php?option=com...=store&ck=2

[andymoocow]

also read this entire thread, it will take time,

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Rb...yno-t55845.html

but you have a much better understanding of what turbo and mods achieve what power, then it will give you a good basis of knowledge to work from. Good luck.

[kwickr33]

Your stock injectors can produce max of 230rwkws. with the current setup you have. all you need is a high flowed turbo plus few hours of dyno tune.

[K-LESS]

also read this entire thread, it will take time,

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Rb...yno-t55845.html

but you have a much better understanding of what turbo and mods achieve what power, then it will give you a good basis of knowledge to work from. Good luck.

Thanks for the suspension recomendation and yup have been reading through that thread. So the Bilstiens on that web site are height and damper adjustable are they?

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

how the hell are you running a wastegate on the stock turbo? that's a lot of fucking around for nothing...

stock injectors and afm will be maxed out, but ok to run at 230, so

sell the SAFC, and the FPR

buy a PFC, grab a second hand highflow turbo, some swaybars, and start thinking about that new clutch you'll most probably need

[K-LESS]

hks 2530/ gt2530 i've got one on my rb25 and its really responsive and makes the power level you're looking for.

I was looking at them but I thought they only came in a T2 flange not T3?

[K-LESS]

how the hell are you running a wastegate on the stock turbo? that's a lot of f**king around for nothing...

stock injectors and afm will be maxed out, but ok to run at 230, so

sell the SAFC, and the FPR

buy a PFC, grab a second hand highflow turbo, some swaybars, and start thinking about that new clutch you'll most probably need

I bought the car like that aye. Its been mounted on the exausht housing of the turbo itself. Screams like a Dinosaur lol. Seen as I got given the safc 2 as a hand me down I think I will try make the most of it. If I can use that to make 230kw with a highflow turbo then theres no need to get a power fc is there? I understand and know power fc is far better but just dont have the funds to buy one just yet. I probably gonna get given a sitc soon to if thats any help?

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

if you have a SITC and a SAFC then i would say its probably a decent idea.

the stock clutch will have a fit and die after 200rwkw tho (aparently... i've never even driven on one) so factor that in.

you mentioned drags, so fit swaybars, pineapples, caster, camber and toe. the stock struts should squat nicely and give you traction on launch.

retrofitted coilovers are more of a circuit/drift thing.... or for people who want low

low and drag dont really go together

so the ex wastegate is where IW gate should be?

that should be an easy sell to some dumbass that just wants noise....

dont bother doing it till you have the SITC and the SAFC both in.

230rwkw should be obtainable with stock injectors, fpr and afm.

[GTScotT]

Hows he going to change the afm is he uses an SITC and SAFC, neither can support the change in AFM signal for the ecu? this would require a proper remap rather than an SAFC.

my recommendation would be to get yourself a nistune properly tuned up and try find a set of cheap injectors and a Z32.. unless you go a hiflow i see the injectors and ecu being your only thing keeping you at 230.. may aswell spend a tad more and end up with 250 or even 270.. especially when your making mention of such turbos as 3071s. personally if your looking for 230, id buy a GTRS kit and get a really Gun 250.. with the above changes to your plan I have mentioned.

price has gone up, but reliability and quality has also gone up ALOT too.

also, get some pics of this stock turbo with wastegate arrangement lol id love to see it

[alr33x]

if you have a SITC and a SAFC then i would say its probably a decent idea.

the stock clutch will have a fit and die after 200rwkw tho (aparently... i've never even driven on one) so factor that in.

you mentioned drags, so fit swaybars, pineapples, caster, camber and toe. the stock struts should squat nicely and give you traction on launch.

retrofitted coilovers are more of a circuit/drift thing.... or for people who want low

low and drag dont really go together

so the ex wastegate is where IW gate should be?

that should be an easy sell to some dumbass that just wants noise....

dont bother doing it till you have the SITC and the SAFC both in.

230rwkw should be obtainable with stock injectors, fpr and afm.

bullshit if he is dragging keep stock suspension so the car squats.. scan wasteland thread if u dont know what im talking about here...

[andymoocow]

Thanks for the suspension recomendation and yup have been reading through that thread. So the Bilstiens on that web site are height and damper adjustable are they?

They are height adjustable only in 8mm grooves, NOT damper adjustable. I have has these in both my R33s and love them for the street, plus i do about 5 track days a year too on semi slicks and they still perform very well. Sure some coilovers will get me aroudn the track quicker but considering i spend around 360 out of 365 days on the street its hardly worth it when most of the time i am putting around Sydney in 50km/hr zones.

[geraus]

well im doing 233kws with supporting mods like 740cc highflow injectors, highflow turbo and power fc , fuel pump z32 , but this was with a massive boost leak. If you want anything over 200kws i suggest changing your z32 and injectors as they will be maxing out....

[mad082]

bullshit if he is dragging keep stock suspension so the car squats.. scan wasteland thread if u dont know what im talking about here...

are you saying that he should or shouldn't keep the stock suspension for drags? hard to tell by your post.

either way, if you want to get good times at the strip you want soft suspension (stock) so that when you launch the arse end sags and puts more weight over the rear tyres. but if you want to do well at the track then you want harder suspension. if you have coilovers and go to the drags your 60ft times will suck as you will just spin the tyres off the line.

also someone said that the SAFC won't allow for AFM altering. well actually i'm pretty sure it will.

[K-LESS]

Sweet as I will take a picture when I get home from work tonight of the external wastegate setup and post it.

Sweet will get everything tunned once I have got it installed.

Im glad I posted on here as there seems to be all sorts of mixed responses. Some say that 230 is achievable with safc2 and highflow using stock injectors and afm and some say it isnt. Keep the ideas coming in. Im open to any suggestions. Tryna not spend to much money either. Got about 5k to play with.

[GTScotT]

also someone said that the SAFC won't allow for AFM altering. well actually i'm pretty sure it will.

i cant confidently say it definitely doesnt, yet it would be the first ive heard of it. its not exactly an effective method of tuning either way tho is it?

i still think a proper tune would be in order.. an SAFC in my eyes is a good tool to get your stock setup to jump a little higher.. not something you would use to get an aftermarket turbo to suit.

[K-LESS]

So what is considred soft and what is considred hard? I ask because I got offered some tein super streets for a good price. Does any one have much to say about these?

I have seen a couple of threads about pineapples and will be aquiring some of them definatly.

Car also has a Brand new Excedy Sports Tuff Button Clutch In It. So hopefully shouldnt have to worry about a new clutch.

And yeah i think you can user Z32 AFM with SAFC2. I believe you play with the IN/Out Numbers on the SAFC2. In being the number that represents the z32 afm on the wiring diagram and Out being the Number that represents the Skyline ECU? Correct me if im wrong please as you cant believe everything you read these days lol.

[PM-R33]

bullshit if he is dragging keep stock suspension so the car squats.. scan wasteland thread if u dont know what im talking about here...

What are you on about? Hamish clearly said:

the stock struts should squat nicely and give you traction on launch.

He never said anything about changing the factory suspension.

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Here are the pictures of the external wastegate set up on the standard turbo. Sorry pictures are crap as they were taken with my mobile phone lol.