Garrett Turbos Going Down Hill?

[unique1]

This is a post from another forum i visit from a guy who supposedly works at Garrett in the US and explaining how everything is soon to be done in Mexico and China and nothing done in the US.

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Originally Posted by mbtech

I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)

quoted from another forum I frequent

http://www.3si.org/forum/f1/interesting-po...-turbos-487204/ thats the original forum i found it off

[GTScotT]

*waits for disco*

[boostn0199]

well thats fkn gay if its true

[The Mafia]

interesting read...

[R31Nismoid]

Original article actually comes from here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936851

Hardly surprising this would occur, surprised it hasn't already.

Perhaps honeywell have already started in China with "cloak" companies like XSPower just to get the manufacturing and "some" of the crap stuff weeded out...

[bigmikespec]

Good old MHI bush bearing awesomeness!

[zebra]

only nick picking but Subi turbos have been done by IHI for a long long time...not garrett,

im thinking galong the same lines as ash in that the mid price turbo market has boomed recently (XS power, Master Power ect etc) so it wouldnt be suprising is they were setup by a bigger company.

But...we trust a lot of engine componets out of china - con rods, pistons valves etc, and i wouldnt be suprised if all the bearing assemblies come from china anyway.

[R31Nismoid]

And a interesting reply from the original thread:

Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

OK? so they have been manufactured there for over 10 years now and garrett turbos still continue to be great turbos.......

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well.

Your talking in the 60's times change man.....

After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs.

As has every company anywhere...

They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little.

None of the turbos say made in the U.S. each box says either mexicali or china, have you ever looked at a garrett box??

Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

Its not like they have openly advertised or used it as a selling point that these were american made.

There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo.

why in the hell would they want extra meterial on a turbo if its not needed and is still with in burst test limits? people freakin port and ploish them anyways taking them past the limits im sure...

Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Its called a business and its called making money. There not the only ones doing it. Check production costs versus consumer price of anything.

I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality.

I will wait and see casue i havent seen it yet.

All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO.

I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company.

Well Brog warner is a german company so i would think of them as nazis more than Garrett.

[zebra]

lol pwn3d

[GTScotT]

lol love the last one, ich glouben un Borg Warner

[DRD-00F]

hmmm... kinda wish I didn't sell off my GT30 Garrett Air Research turbo so cheaply

[juggernaut1]

Could be worse.....could be made at Toyota.

[geraus]

hmmmmmmmmmm thats pretty toughhh hmm

[FineLine]

Could be worse.....could be made at Toyota.

Thats funny man, or would be if their dodgey practices werent actually killing people.

[discopotato03]

You want to read that whole thread from NASIOC not just the original post .

This type of industry direction is hardly new , I can understant the employees pain but the world has moved along lots since the 1960's .

Much of the manufacturing industry in the western world has migrated to places where labour is cheap and rights of workers few - we'll let you breathe but not on the companies time .

To be blunt a lot of it has to do with the masses want to buy cheap and replace often . To buy a good quality spanner or socket costs good money but if you don't lose or abuse them you have them for life . Not quite the same with a drill bit but a good one may do 50 holes where a garbage one may do 5 .

Tis a sad fact of like that retail price bears no resemblance to manufacturing cost . Its all about supply and demand and what the market will bear price wise . No friends in business and family history means jack sh#t .

You don't win wars with bullets anymore , you do it with cheap manufacturing industry . I guess the only saving grace is that with luck we'll run out of countries with 3rd world working conditions - but theres a few to go yet .

A .

[jet_r31]

Had to happen, apparently turbonetics already have been doing this for some time,

or at least a lot of there parts

cheers

darern

[Kaido_RR]

nothing new. less it cost them the more money they make.

makes me feel good i have always uses HKS turbos. yes its a garrett but its mod by HKS in JAPAN and people always wonder why they cost what they do

[Kaido_RR]

only nick picking but Subi turbos have been done by IHI for a long long time...not garrett,

nismo uses IHI turbos on the z-tune, Ferrari F40 uses IHI turbos too. very popular in Europe

[hypergear]

Well, We've spent lot of money with Garrett as most of our CHRA components are made by them, Their quality at this stage is excellent, Our return rate has dropped to almost 0% from 60% when using Korean and Chinese products.

We will be happy to support and use Garrett parts as long as they can sustain its current product quality regardless where they are made.

[Lithium]

nothing new. less it cost them the more money they make.

makes me feel good i have always uses HKS turbos. yes its a garrett but its mod by HKS in JAPAN and people always wonder why they cost what they do

I think housings aren't the primary place the worries lie, though one of my mates inadvertantly did a burst test with an HKS T51R SPL and it proved to be pretty safe haha