Vic Wasteland Thread

[Rekin]

kaaz 1.5

do it and you can thank me later.

shimming's good fun if you own a beat up 32, but if you want it to last, do it properly. Put it this way... ALL the power you make has to go through it. If you wanna wager that on a $1.50 shim go nuts.

shimming just increases the bite point of your viscous, which means there's still slip, as time goes on it'll wear down and cark your diff. Guaranteed. Unless you're prepared to pull down and flush pumpkins after every track day or major fang session.

Been weighing up getting a 1.5way diff or r33 gtr brakes on the car.

Which to do....

[jfk]

??? how else do you drive around? I heel/toe for daily driving.

its not my daily......

[krzysiu]

??? how else do you drive around? I heel/toe for daily driving.

lol why? i just rev match a lot of the time

[funkymonkey]

you could just drive normally, you know... like when you're not living your life a quarter mile at a time?

Been weighing up getting a 1.5way diff or r33 gtr brakes on the car.

Which to do....

diff before brakes. GTSt brakes aren't that shabby compared to 33 GTR brakes. GTSt diff is pox compared to 1.5.

percentage improvement and smile factor is much higher on diff.

[jfk]

how do i get this warn status thing off can u??

[funkymonkey]

you don't have a warn status. it's empty. only you can see your own warns.

and me.

deal w/ it.

[Rekin]

Brake Rotor / Caliper information

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R32 GTST

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 25.4 area 506.71mm^2Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4 = 5127.58mm^2

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 280×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2 = 2289.78mm^2 ratio FR = 2.239

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

total 7417.36 brake to master ratio 14.63

R33 GTST

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 23.8 444.88mm^2Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4 = 5127.58mm^2

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2 = 2289.78mm^2 ratio FR = 2.239

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

Total area 7417.36mm^2 brake to master ratio 16.67

R32 GTR (Non V-Spec,)

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 25.4

Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×32

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

R32 GTR V-Spec / R33 / 34 GTR with Brembos

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 26.9 568.32mm^2Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - (44+3Cool×2 ... leading pistons smaller then trailing 5309.29mm^2

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 324×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40×2 2513.27mm^2 ratio FR = 2.1125

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 300×22

total 7822.56 brake to master ratio 13.76

This is the ratio of master piston movement to overall brake pad movement

R32/GTR calliper ratio 15.43

R33/GTR calliper ratio 17.58

So there isn’t much difference between the Brembos and the std Nissan R32/33 GTST calipers and R32 GTR callipers

Oh...and an old favourite that seems to be a good practical test of what the theory suggests....

Car & Driver did a test a few years ago ...Test Car was a WRX (US Spec which only uses two piston sliding caliper, not as good as Nissan 4 spot or later Model WRX 4 pots)

So tested kits were, std car, std car with upgraded pads and fluid, Brembo F50 Kit, Brembo Lotus Kit (Similar to as fitted to GTRs, 44/38mm pistons), Stoptech it and Prodrive Kit (Alcon)

Stopping Distances 70mph - 0 , 3 Stop

Brembo F50;_____________ 185 / 183 (Average / Best)

Brembo Lotus; ______________ 200 / 196

Prodrive; __________________ 198 / 194

StopTech;__________________ 187 / 186

Stock; ____________________ 205 / 196

Stck with pads and fluid; ____187 / 184

The above figures are all in feet, one stop difference between pad and fluid upgrade to crappy sliding caliper brake setup and massive Brembos is 1 ft...lol 30cms And over 3 stops the average is 2 ft...lol 60cms

So you can see the one stop max of the upgraded pads and fluid is damn good when you consider the $$$ to % difference.

Stopping Distances 100mph - 0 , 25 Stop

Brembo F50; _____________ 299 / 288 (Average / Best)

Brembo Lotus; ______________305 / 294

Prodrive; __________________ 308 / 295

StopTech;__________________ 297 / 290

Stock;_____________________ 340/317

Stck with pads and fluid;_____316/299

Not the world of difference you would be led to believe by the "you need 6pot caliper 343mm rotor crowd."

Specs of the kits:

Rotor Weight (pounds) Size in inches (diam / thk)

Brembo F50;.................15.8......................... .13.1 / 1.3

Brembo Lotus;..............12.9.......................... 12.9 / 1.1

Prodrive;......................16.5............... ............13.0 / 1.1

StopTech;...................13.9.................. ........12.9 / 1.1

Stock;.................. ......14.2..........................11.6 / 0.9

Caliper Weight , Piston Size, (mm)

Brembo F50;..........8.6 pounds...........40 / 44, Leading / Trailing

Brembo Lotus;.......6.8.......................36 / 40

Prodrive;...............9.1..................... 34.9 / 41.3

StopTech;.............9.3.....................36 / 40

Stock;.................10.8.................. .43 / 43

...and COST!!!

Brembo F50;.......................US$2,995

Brembo Lotus;.....................US$2,595

Prodrive;.............................US$1,999

StopTech;...........................US$1,695

Stock with pads & fluid;....... US$130

R32 GTST

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 280×30

R32 GTR (Non V-Spec,)

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×32

R33 GTST

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×30 Different caliper to R32 GTR but same disc diameter.

R32 GTR V-Spec / R33 / 34 GTR with Brembos

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 324×30

R34 GTT

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 310x30

The calipers that suit larger diameter discs have longer mounting legs to space the caliper out further.

quote from: Brake Rotor / Caliper information - GTRCanada - Canada's premier skyline enthusiasts club

[Rekin]

lol why? i just rev match a lot of the time

probably cause the r32 has to always be in the right rev range & gear to be able to move anywhere

[Rekin]

you could just drive normally, you know... like when you're not living your life a quarter mile at a time?

diff before brakes. GTSt brakes aren't that shabby compared to 33 GTR brakes. GTSt diff is pox compared to 1.5.

percentage improvement and smile factor is much higher on diff.

hmm fair go, will look into diffs

[jfk]

you don't have a warn status. it's empty. only you can see your own warns.

and me.

deal w/ it.

ok mate dang... i might go slash up now....

[R-SPEC]

The ford rim spec, I don't have a 33.

33 waslike $1500 full comp agreed value of $25k and heavily modified (all mods listed)

i see. what ford is that?

mmm the new xr6 turbos black on black with the red brembos = tuff

Edited January 12, 2011 by R-SPEC

[Rekin]

http://gtrusa.blogspot.com/2007/03/r32-active-diff.html

R32 with R34 front and rear subframe O_o Active diff and all

[Rekin]

hmm r33 rear subframe + kaaz 1.5way diff sounds like a $2k~ project ~_~

[funkymonkey]

isn't that the dude in canada who converted his R32 gtr to R34 look using factory replacement fenders stitched in n stuff?

[Rekin]

isn't that the dude in canada who converted his R32 gtr to R34 look using factory replacement fenders stitched in n stuff?

lol nfi, thats the only pics i stumbled across. Apparently he did it in order to have the ultimate handling for his r32 gtr.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

percentage improvement and smile factor is much higher on diff.

this...

i

my diff

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

kris a 3.0 is cheaper than that x 11ty

[Rekin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Big-Brake-Kit-300ZX-Nissan-13-4-piston-Wilwood-caliper-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem230bbd7c5aQQitemZ150520822874QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

yummmmm

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

phil has a group buy on that kit atm

[funkymonkey]

Brake Rotor / Caliper information

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

R32 GTST

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 25.4 area 506.71mm^2Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4 = 5127.58mm^2

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 280×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2 = 2289.78mm^2 ratio FR = 2.239

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

total 7417.36 brake to master ratio 14.63

R33 GTST

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 23.8 444.88mm^2Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4 = 5127.58mm^2

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2 = 2289.78mm^2 ratio FR = 2.239

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

Total area 7417.36mm^2 brake to master ratio 16.67

R32 GTR (Non V-Spec,)

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 25.4

Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×32

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

R32 GTR V-Spec / R33 / 34 GTR with Brembos

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 26.9 568.32mm^2Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - (44+3Cool×2 ... leading pistons smaller then trailing 5309.29mm^2

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 324×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40×2 2513.27mm^2 ratio FR = 2.1125

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 300×22

total 7822.56 brake to master ratio 13.76

This is the ratio of master piston movement to overall brake pad movement

R32/GTR calliper ratio 15.43

R33/GTR calliper ratio 17.58

So there isn’t much difference between the Brembos and the std Nissan R32/33 GTST calipers and R32 GTR callipers

Oh...and an old favourite that seems to be a good practical test of what the theory suggests....

Car & Driver did a test a few years ago ...Test Car was a WRX (US Spec which only uses two piston sliding caliper, not as good as Nissan 4 spot or later Model WRX 4 pots)

So tested kits were, std car, std car with upgraded pads and fluid, Brembo F50 Kit, Brembo Lotus Kit (Similar to as fitted to GTRs, 44/38mm pistons), Stoptech it and Prodrive Kit (Alcon)

Stopping Distances 70mph - 0 , 3 Stop

Brembo F50;_____________ 185 / 183 (Average / Best)

Brembo Lotus; ______________ 200 / 196

Prodrive; __________________ 198 / 194

StopTech;__________________ 187 / 186

Stock; ____________________ 205 / 196

Stck with pads and fluid; ____187 / 184

The above figures are all in feet, one stop difference between pad and fluid upgrade to crappy sliding caliper brake setup and massive Brembos is 1 ft...lol 30cms And over 3 stops the average is 2 ft...lol 60cms

So you can see the one stop max of the upgraded pads and fluid is damn good when you consider the $$$ to % difference.

Stopping Distances 100mph - 0 , 25 Stop

Brembo F50; _____________ 299 / 288 (Average / Best)

Brembo Lotus; ______________305 / 294

Prodrive; __________________ 308 / 295

StopTech;__________________ 297 / 290

Stock;_____________________ 340/317

Stck with pads and fluid;_____316/299

Not the world of difference you would be led to believe by the "you need 6pot caliper 343mm rotor crowd."

Specs of the kits:

Rotor Weight (pounds) Size in inches (diam / thk)

Brembo F50;.................15.8......................... .13.1 / 1.3

Brembo Lotus;..............12.9.......................... 12.9 / 1.1

Prodrive;......................16.5............... ............13.0 / 1.1

StopTech;...................13.9.................. ........12.9 / 1.1

Stock;.................. ......14.2..........................11.6 / 0.9

Caliper Weight , Piston Size, (mm)

Brembo F50;..........8.6 pounds...........40 / 44, Leading / Trailing

Brembo Lotus;.......6.8.......................36 / 40

Prodrive;...............9.1..................... 34.9 / 41.3

StopTech;.............9.3.....................36 / 40

Stock;.................10.8.................. .43 / 43

...and COST!!!

Brembo F50;.......................US$2,995

Brembo Lotus;.....................US$2,595

Prodrive;.............................US$1,999

StopTech;...........................US$1,695

Stock with pads & fluid;....... US$130

R32 GTST

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 280×30

R32 GTR (Non V-Spec,)

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×32

R33 GTST

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×30 Different caliper to R32 GTR but same disc diameter.

R32 GTR V-Spec / R33 / 34 GTR with Brembos

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 324×30

R34 GTT

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 310x30

The calipers that suit larger diameter discs have longer mounting legs to space the caliper out further.

quote from: Brake Rotor / Caliper information - GTRCanada - Canada's premier skyline enthusiasts club

GTSt brakes aren't that shabby compared to 33 GTR brakes.

wow you made a huge fuckoff tl;dr post to say exactly what I said in 10 words 15 mins earlier. gratz.