Hack On Triplej (5.30pm Today)

[JayTay]

By the way, is that "about my cube" line in the original episode? I swear ive never seen that one line in the episode before.

Bravo. Bravo.

[mad082]

Thank you NZM, it's about time I pleased someone. Now I can stop arguing on these forums altogether

tempted to sig that

for someone who's been there and done it all, you really have a strange idea about the average club level motorsport competitor and how costly it is.

so tell us, how much does it cost to attend a track day, etc? i'm guessing it will be about what i expect but i will wait to see what you reply with. then add in the 3 hour drive each way that i would have to take to my nearest track and the cost of a full tank of fuel just for the trip, let alone fuel used on the day. then lets say i wanted to do that every weekend for a month. i'd say that would be the best part of $1000 (probably more). so for your average low income earner (such as someone working in retail) that would be 2 full weeks wage. or in the case of someone who is unemployed or only working partime, that is a full months wage. so that means that their entire weekly wage would go to paying for 1 day of "keeping it off the streets". now you can see why so many hoons don't even bother thinking about taking it to the track. not everyone can afford to do it. i know i can't. i couldn't even afford to do 1 track day a month.

[FrangaR33]

To be honest I agree with Marc. Theres f**k all you can do about hoons, its simply not financially reasonable to expect them to do it at the track when they can do it on the street for free. Especially considering theres only a tiny chance the bastards actually get caught and when they do the judge gives them a nice big hug and tells them to please please please dont do it again.

[warps]

warps can u provide info on all these motorsport events and which state your talking about might be handy info for others.

Sorry I haven't been on this thread for a few days. The calendar I was using is this one which I got from the rally club I belong to (NDSCC in QLD, so relates to QLD events)

The CAMS website also has a calendar of events throughout the country in all disciplines.

There are also "come and try" type days held by several of the clubs, which often don't get added to the CAMS calendar.

As far as organising "legal" street racing - well it may be a good idea, and should be thought through. After all, it's not that different to what you need to for for a rally, and we have to close off a couple of hundred km of roads to run a big event. Closing off a couple of KM of straight road (that won't impact on residents, businesses, etc.) shouldn't be too hard to achieve. Instead of comlaining about the lack of venues, perhaps someone should put their energy into making it happen.

The club motorkhanas our club holds are normally around $50 or less entry fee, and you'd be lucky to use more than a few litres of fuel, and put any more wear onto your tyres than a typical "cruise". Personally I find them boring, but it's not a bad starting point to get a feel for competing. My son turns 12 this year, and I'll be entering him into some club motorkhanas ans khanacrosses whether he likes it or not.

When you think of the cost of getting caught and fined for street racing, even $1000 for a day of legal motorsport isn't that bad, is it? How many of us can afford to lose our licence / car due to stupidity?

Note I am not saying I totally agree with all of the hoon laws, but they are there, and we have to abide by them. If you don't, and you get caught, then "suck it up princess" is all I can say.

[Birds]

That's a good point, we close off roads for Targa events.

Motorkhanas are great IMO and should definitely be considered as part of the solution but there's still the issue of the venues being too far away. Take the SAU Vic DECA at Shepparton for example - 50 of us don't mind travelling the distance, but we're not the street racers. Got to look at the mentality of street racers, i.e. why they do it in the first place. Gotta ask yourself the question, why do they do it on the street? It's not to piss off residences or the law. They want convenience and they want the freedom to do what they want on the bitumen. Someone should put the energy into making it happen - but you're not going to expect that from the street racers who A. on average have the brains of a broken door knob and B. race on the street because they can't be bothered doing it the legal way / don't have the time/money.

You can't look at it from our point of view - we weigh up those risks and decide that legitimate motorsport is the way to go about it. In contrast, the street racers aren't getting caught and that's where their perceived risk wins out in favour of street racing over legitimate racing. The risk of getting caught is actually quite low, just as the risk of dying on the road doing stupid things is small - yes it happens, but it is small - look at the number of people doing stupid things on our roads and only 1 or 2 people in Victoria die every month because of it...it's not nearly enough to make people think they could be next because they keep doing it thinking it won't happen to them. Like I said they only have one evil to choose from at the moment, we need to give them two evils so they can choose the lesser of them.

[mad082]

Sorry I haven't been on this thread for a few days. The calendar I was using is this one which I got from the rally club I belong to (NDSCC in QLD, so relates to QLD events)

The CAMS website also has a calendar of events throughout the country in all disciplines.

There are also "come and try" type days held by several of the clubs, which often don't get added to the CAMS calendar.

As far as organising "legal" street racing - well it may be a good idea, and should be thought through. After all, it's not that different to what you need to for for a rally, and we have to close off a couple of hundred km of roads to run a big event. Closing off a couple of KM of straight road (that won't impact on residents, businesses, etc.) shouldn't be too hard to achieve. Instead of comlaining about the lack of venues, perhaps someone should put their energy into making it happen.

The club motorkhanas our club holds are normally around $50 or less entry fee, and you'd be lucky to use more than a few litres of fuel, and put any more wear onto your tyres than a typical "cruise". Personally I find them boring, but it's not a bad starting point to get a feel for competing. My son turns 12 this year, and I'll be entering him into some club motorkhanas ans khanacrosses whether he likes it or not.

When you think of the cost of getting caught and fined for street racing, even $1000 for a day of legal motorsport isn't that bad, is it? How many of us can afford to lose our licence / car due to stupidity?

Note I am not saying I totally agree with all of the hoon laws, but they are there, and we have to abide by them. If you don't, and you get caught, then "suck it up princess" is all I can say.

i want your job then. also with street racing it's the fact that you have a small chance of getting caught, so if you spread the cost of losing your licence, etc over all the times that someone might do it to when they get caught, it may work out to be $5 a run. but certainly cheaper than a few hundred dollars a day. now i don't agree with street racing, just pointing out the obvious facts that regular legal racing is well out of the financial reach of a hell of a lot of people. think about it, some of these hoons would be out racing at least 2 nights a week. so say that instead they go and attend 2 legal meets a weekend. drags one night and a track day the next. there's an easy $300 a week gone. do that for a full year and you've spent a lazy $15600.

[warps]

i want your job then. also with street racing it's the fact that you have a small chance of getting caught, so if you spread the cost of losing your licence, etc over all the times that someone might do it to when they get caught, it may work out to be $5 a run. but certainly cheaper than a few hundred dollars a day. now i don't agree with street racing, just pointing out the obvious facts that regular legal racing is well out of the financial reach of a hell of a lot of people. think about it, some of these hoons would be out racing at least 2 nights a week. so say that instead they go and attend 2 legal meets a weekend. drags one night and a track day the next. there's an easy $300 a week gone. do that for a full year and you've spent a lazy $15600.

Haha you couldn't handle my job

Dunno about anyone else, but I'd rather spend $1000 on motorsport than lose my car becasue of street racing. Besides, I didn't say that it costs that much. I said that it's cheaper than losing your car.

Thing is, when you compete in proper motorsport, you're going to be less interested in hooning on the street. This won't work 100% for all people, but it certainly does have an effect on most.

I did a sponsors day at Willowbank last year that cost me $50 entry fee. I did about 30 laps of the autocross track, and went through 40 or so litres of fuel. Took a whole hour to drive there from home. The whole day cost me under $200 (including travel there and back) and that was a thirsty, unreliable rotary Mazda.

I know that there will always be those who can't be stuffed doing things properly, and will come up with all the excuses in the world. All I can say is sucked in when they get caught.

[mad082]

yes but you also don't lose your car the first time you lose your car. you lose it for a few days the first time, which is no great loss.

as for your 'sponsors day', well you were obviously getting cheaper day than if the average person was to go and have a day there. and not everyone lives in brissy. for the sunny coast guys they are 2 hours from willowbank, and for me it's 3 hours. so that's a 6 hour round trip to compete in an event.

we have a skidpan here but events are rarely held due to the cost, and the ones held by SAU (which i only hear about if i happen to go into autobarn and aaron tells me about them since i'm not a member of SAUQLD) are held on saturdays which i work and can't take off (i'm one of those luck people who if they don't turn up to work they don't get paid, and if they do turn up to work there's a good chance they still don't get paid so they need to work whenever possible in the hope of getting paid and would be happy to just earn as much money as someone on the dole. put simply, i'm a business owner enjoying the high life of owning a business in these glorious times of financial prosperity......)

[warps]

Pathetic excuses, the lot of them!

Join NDSCC - surely you can afford $30 a year. They are based a lot closer to you than me, and all of their events are in your neck of the woods. They run gympie skidpan events and grass motorkhanas just down the road from you - lots of normal road registered cars enter these events, and the going entry fee is something under $50 for club members.

The sponsors day - what the hell are you on about? All the "average person" has to do is become a member of NDSCC and they have the same right to enter the sponsors day as anyone else. Other clubs also run similar days (BSCC and IWMAC for example). They're designed for club members to take their sponsors out for a fang in a safe environment. If you don't have a sponsor (which I don't) they there are about 20-30 members of the public lining up to go for rides. If nobody wants to go for a ride with you, then just fly solo.

As far as earning less than a dole bludger - well you're obviously in the wrong business. Not much I can do to help you there. Then again, you strike me as a walking advert for the old saying "you can lead a horse to water...".

Quit making excuses, get off your arse and have a go. It's really not that difficult.

[alr33x]

(i'm one of those luck people who if they don't turn up to work they don't get paid, and if they do turn up to work there's a good chance they still don't get paid so they need to work whenever possible in the hope of getting paid and would be happy to just earn as much money as someone on the dole. put simply, i'm a business owner enjoying the high life of owning a business in these glorious times of financial prosperity......)

you should change that little thing under your name from "Has Made A Donation" to "Will Take A Donation"

i agree with what your saying warps but i also think mad082 is right the distance of travel, infrequency of events and cost is what puts people of legitimate motorsport and not to mention the awesome police waiting outside the track to slap you witha defect as you roll out after a day of responsible driving..

may as well take your chances in the industrial, i think the attitude is fkd on both sides street racers & the law/government

[Birds]

Compromise is what's needed - meeting somewhere in the middle. Because right now all that's going on is a constant war between the law and the street racers. No one is willing to get together and work it out.

[mad082]

Pathetic excuses, the lot of them!

Join NDSCC - surely you can afford $30 a year. They are based a lot closer to you than me, and all of their events are in your neck of the woods. They run gympie skidpan events and grass motorkhanas just down the road from you - lots of normal road registered cars enter these events, and the going entry fee is something under $50 for club members.

The sponsors day - what the hell are you on about? All the "average person" has to do is become a member of NDSCC and they have the same right to enter the sponsors day as anyone else. Other clubs also run similar days (BSCC and IWMAC for example). They're designed for club members to take their sponsors out for a fang in a safe environment. If you don't have a sponsor (which I don't) they there are about 20-30 members of the public lining up to go for rides. If nobody wants to go for a ride with you, then just fly solo.

As far as earning less than a dole bludger - well you're obviously in the wrong business. Not much I can do to help you there. Then again, you strike me as a walking advert for the old saying "you can lead a horse to water...".

Quit making excuses, get off your arse and have a go. It's really not that difficult.

no i can't afford $30 a year right now. i won't go into reasons why right now, but i'll put it this way, if you are currently at work you have earnt more while reading this than i have earnt so far this year.

as for the whole thing about the sponsors day, it sounded like something that the race teams have where they have their corperate sponsors come to test days where they take them for laps around in the race cars or something like that.

[warps]

Take the SAU Vic DECA at Shepparton for example - 50 of us don't mind travelling the distance, but we're not the street racers. Got to look at the mentality of street racers, i.e. why they do it in the first place. Gotta ask yourself the question, why do they do it on the street? It's not to piss off residences or the law. They want convenience and they want the freedom to do what they want on the bitumen. Someone should put the energy into making it happen - but you're not going to expect that from the street racers who A. on average have the brains of a broken door knob and B. race on the street because they can't be bothered doing it the legal way / don't have the time/money.

You can't look at it from our point of view - we weigh up those risks and decide that legitimate motorsport is the way to go about it. In contrast, the street racers aren't getting caught and that's where their perceived risk wins out in favour of street racing over legitimate racing. The risk of getting caught is actually quite low, just as the risk of dying on the road doing stupid things is small - yes it happens, but it is small - look at the number of people doing stupid things on our roads and only 1 or 2 people in Victoria die every month because of it...it's not nearly enough to make people think they could be next because they keep doing it thinking it won't happen to them. Like I said they only have one evil to choose from at the moment, we need to give them two evils so they can choose the lesser of them.

Absolutely agree with you. My rants are aimed at the idiots who claim that they street race because there are no venues for them to use, and I showed that a quick cursory glance at the QLD CAMS calendar shows 28 events I can enter between now and the end of the year. Of course for most of these people they are just excuses, and when you show them to be wrong, they find another excuse. I doubt we'll ever convince a lot of these people even if there was a 24 hour drag strip at the end of their street with free entry.

There are probably a lot of people in the middle ground who think that there are no events for them to enter because this is what the "scene" tells them. If we can educate some of those people, then it will be a step in the right direction.

I know we'll never convert all of the street racers, but if we can at least get them seriously thinking about legal alternatives, then the effort is worth it.

[warps]

no i can't afford $30 a year right now. i won't go into reasons why right now, but i'll put it this way, if you are currently at work you have earnt more while reading this than i have earnt so far this year.

as for the whole thing about the sponsors day, it sounded like something that the race teams have where they have their corperate sponsors come to test days where they take them for laps around in the race cars or something like that.

Well all I can say is that you must be doing it tough right now. I hope the effort pays off in the long run (whatever you are doing)

Nah, the sponsors day is nowhere near as fancy as you think. It's a rally club, and you'll find that most rally clubs are about as down to earth as you can get. There's nothing"corporate" about them at all. In fact, you regularly get cars of the calibre shown below competing at some of these events, and the guys come away smiling as much as the blokes with $60k Evorexes. (This guy was at Hirstglen. Another guy turned up in a stock TP Magna with about 350,000 km on the clock. car would have to have been wiorth at least $300)

[bozodos]

oh man my mate and I are planning to do something liek that locally with an old Datsun or a Corolla, would love to do up a beater and take it in one of those rallies

[scotty014]

i think all we need is a nurburgring and an autobahn, problem solved

seriously though in my opinion it will never end, you can minimise the hoons but it will never go away.

i must admit i do like to watch the jap street drifting and also the mischief dvd's that are all illeagal things they are doing, but i guess alot of people watch this and decide they can do it too.

[JayTay]

The whole idea of the "hoon"/"street racer" is an interesting concept, people seem to have very different ideas and preconceptions about what that means, be it as a result of personal experience or biased second hand reporting through tabloid quality current affairs (not a shot at Hack by the way, a great current affairs programme, despite it somewhat pandering to lowest common denominator interviewing techniques and editing at times this week).

I think many of us, being enthusiasts, who waste countless hours on forums about our cars, don't appreciate dickheads (in place of the word "hoons"; a misused colloquialism) ruining our experience with modified/sports cars, by bringing increased attention from the police, and negative press from conservative media.

This attention that is routinely slavished upon us by the pompous, scowling, self appointed critics of society, serves as nothing but a filler between tabloid stories of celebrity scandal, and working class triumph. A distraction that allows 7 or so minutes of dinner table, high-horse soapboxing.

How can/How do we defeat these notions?

Well, in part, we play their game.

We dont put the loudest cannons money can buy on our cars, we plumb back our screamers, we leave 100 mm of clearance! (dont touch your offset though, EVERYONE loves a hellaflush look)

If we ourselves dont seek out the attention, we differentiate ourselves, as true enthusiasts, from the knuckle dragging mouth-breathers who can't wait to tell everyone about how they'd rather stick 60K into a car than a house. (btw. what a fucking loser, hope life is great living with your parents at 30 bro)

PS. Mischief DVDs are ghey. Getaway in Stockholm and Ghostrider rule.

Edited March 17, 2010 by JayTay

[on__edge]

it seems as though sau hoons are called "enthusiasts". We all know each one of you has broken a road rule at one time or another.

And JayTray i think your the poor bastard, that probably feels sorry for yourself cause the only way you could find 60k is by walking into a bank and asking for a loan and yet he is a F**ken loser, yes, BRAVO

[Mr Eps]

edit - inflammatory post removed and user reported to admin.

Edited March 17, 2010 by Mr Eps

[Birds]

it seems as though sau hoons are called "enthusiasts". We all know each one of you has broken a road rule at one time or another.

And JayTray i think your the poor bastard, that probably feels sorry for yourself cause the only way you could find 60k is by walking into a bank and asking for a loan and yet he is a F**ken loser, yes, BRAVO

Unless I'm misinterpreting you, that's a silly comment man. No doubt we have a couple of hoons who frequent the site and engage in the activities this topic refers to, but to label us all hoons because we've broken a road rule before...would make 99% of the drivers on the road hoons. There's a difference between breaking a road rule once in a while and racing on the street - big difference.