Direction Of The Speeding Vehicle On The Photo Evidence.

[Luk]

Hi. Can somebody tell me how to find out from the photographic evidence of speeding from WA, if the vehicle which triggered Multinova has been traveling forward or away from the camera? There is no "F" or "A" letter like they have in eastern states on their pictures, just something like "-" (minus) or "~" in front of the speed (number). There are two cars in the photo. Mine traveling away and the other towards the camera in the further line pretty much at the same angle to the camera, so I am wondering if it wasn't the other car which was speeding and mine was photographed instead. Thanks.

[dan_the_man]

did it take a picture of the front or of the back of your car?

they dont do 2 way speed measurement.

[Luk]

Picture is of the back of my car. But there is front half of the other car right next to mine in the background which I guess might have triggered the camera as well. Unless they can set up the camera to be triggered just for in/out coming traffic without being affected by the other direction. In that case, there should be a mark on the photo, I would say.

[dan_the_man]

Multinovas are setup to measure one way traffic only.

Pay the fine and don't speed.

[Luk]

Yeah, so what if it was set up for traffic coming towards the camera and I got in the way. There is no room to put the camera on the other side of the road and they might have wanted to measure the other line… Even if it was me, it’s just 7km over the limit and my first fine ever, so with all the respect I don’t need to hear “don’t speed” advice. But I don’t want to pay for something I haven’t done, if that’s the case.

[dan_the_man]

Yeah, so what if it was set up for traffic coming towards the camera and I got in the way. There is no room to put the camera on the other side of the road and they might have wanted to measure the other line…

Why would they send you the fine then?

The multinovas do not work like that.

Even if it was me, it's just 7km over the limit and my first fine ever, so with all the respect I don't need to hear "don't speed" advice. But I don't want to pay for something I haven't done, if that's the case.

You just admitted you were speeding. Don't speed again. Simple

[Luk]

So according to you EVERY single fine issued is correct. Cameras are ALLWAYS set up correctly according to the manual. NEVER affected by “environment” – other moving objects and so. You surely don’t believe that…

I didn’t admit I was speeding. But EVEN if I was, I don’t need “don’t’ speed” advice. I was questioning information which should be part of the photographic evidence not my driving. So please keep to the topic. Thanks.

[dan_the_man]

So according to you EVERY single fine issued is correct. Cameras are ALLWAYS set up correctly according to the manual. NEVER affected by "environment" – other moving objects and so. You surely don't believe that…

I didn't admit I was speeding. But EVEN if I was, I don't need "don't' speed" advice. I was questioning information which should be part of the photographic evidence not my driving. So please keep to the topic. Thanks.

Ok man. You're the boss

apply to have your day in court. let us know how it goes

[Hanaldo]

Actually Dan, my old boss when i was setting up water tanks used to be one of those guys that sat with the speed camera, and he told me that they have had the technology to use camera's that can focus and take pictures on both directions for years. It is only in the last couple of years that they have started utilizing that technology on the streets.

So it is very possible that this camera was one that can focus on both directions, and the OP was unlucky to be caught instead of the other guy.

I do have to say it is highly unlikely though, the camera is set up so that it gets a complete picture of your car. If the other car was just a little bit in the picture, then it was you that was speeding, otherwise there is no way that it got a complete picture of your car and only a fragment of the other car

[R DIRTY 3]

Ok man. You're the boss

apply to have your day in court. let us know how it goes

+1

[dan_the_man]

Actually Dan, my old boss when i was setting up water tanks used to be one of those guys that sat with the speed camera, and he told me that they have had the technology to use camera's that can focus and take pictures on both directions for years. It is only in the last couple of years that they have started utilizing that technology on the streets.

So it is very possible that this camera was one that can focus on both directions, and the OP was unlucky to be caught instead of the other guy.

I do have to say it is highly unlikely though, the camera is set up so that it gets a complete picture of your car. If the other car was just a little bit in the picture, then it was you that was speeding, otherwise there is no way that it got a complete picture of your car and only a fragment of the other car

Are you sure he didn't mean "they can use the cameras forward or rear facing"?

If you are correct then the OP could just arrange to view and discuss the fine here:

Infringement Management and Operations

2 Wellington Street, East Perth

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday 8am–3.45pm.

(08) 9222 1408

I'm sure the local police officer will explain it for him

[R DIRTY 3]

Hanaldo, i think they have those over east but not here in WA.

They will have very soon 'rear facing cameras' that are compliant for catching speeding motorbikes

[Hanaldo]

Yeh i'm sure, because he was saying it is stupid that they are only just starting to use that technology now when they have been able to do it for years

[Hanaldo]

Hanaldo, i think they have those over east but not here in WA.

They will have very soon 'rear facing cameras' that are compliant for catching speeding motorbikes

That is very possible, he did used to live in Melbourne and he didn't mention where he was living when that was his occupation. So quite possible that it is only in the eastern states, although i don't see why they would use it over there and not over here?

[dan_the_man]

Hanaldo, i think they have those over east but not here in WA.

They will have very soon 'rear facing cameras' that are compliant for catching speeding motorbikes

they have these already

[Tony de Wonderful]

They have had rear facers in the UK for ages along with average speed cameras.

[gazza750]

go in and say it was the other vehicle in the photo that was speeding

the burden of proof is on them to find out which car in the photo was speeding

i bet both vehicles got an infringement sent out

i got done a while ago in my truck and i wasn't speeding there was 1 other vehicle in the photo i went in and viewed the evidence and denied it was me and the fine was canceled

[dan_the_man]

go in and say it was the other vehicle in the photo that was speeding

the burden of proof is on them to find out which car in the photo was speeding

i bet both vehicles got an infringement sent out

i got done a while ago in my truck and i wasn't speeding there was 1 other vehicle in the photo i went in and viewed the evidence and denied it was me and the fine was canceled

Was the other vehicle heading in the other direction?

[Kaido_RR]

Hanaldo, i think they have those over east but not here in WA.

They will have very soon 'rear facing cameras' that are compliant for catching speeding motorbikes

brad they have had these cameras for years now, and have been using them in W.A for the past 2-3 years. Normally they just turn around the normal speed camera so it gets your rear number plate and not your front.

Also i was under the impression that if another vehicle which is traveling in the same direction as you is in the photo that the fine would not be issue

Edited March 9, 2010 by Kaido_RR

[gazza750]

Yes Dan