Sun 14 Mar. Mt. Baw Baw Cruise

[mt. buller jock.]

hi guys, my name is scott and im sorta taking pot luck with this thread im enquiring on this forum as my cousin's a skyline jock and he recommended this site to me after i told him what happened...

im a vw owner and yesterday arvo me and a few other dubbers went for a cruise up baw baw. on the way back down the hill, we encountered a group of nissans (various- sylvias, a white 180, and i think a maroon r33). apparently one of the guys in your cruise had run into the ditch.

not trying to find out who it was nor am i looking for a sexy set of details. on behalf of the vw boys on our cruise, hope whoever had the off was not hurt, and that your ride is okay. it wasnt a pretty drive- suv's taking up the whole road and forcing you onto the grass, that frigging semi trailer that you guys may have seen, and debri all over the place.

cheers,

scotty

p.s. i realise there's every chance i'll get grilled pretty bad on here for being a vw driver, let alone a polo driver, let alone a diesel driver. i tend to shelve that stuff when people get hurt.

[R31Nismoid]

First thought this sounded like a typical NS.com event - i mean, there is always someone that destroys something one thier "cruises"

And welll... it wasnt them it turns out...

Then i had a thought and i worked it out!

http://www.vicimportsclub.com/forums/thread-1406.html

It wasn't SAU-Vic related i can tell you that much, and hopefully no-one from SAU was involved...

I'll say no more.

[mt. buller jock.]

ah.... curiosity kills the cat, as they say, but yeah- never a good thing, and even worse when it's a forum member/ someone you associate with.

cheers,

scotty

[stpage]

i was up there with them. everything is ok. he stopped a bees dick short of hitting the embankment so there was no damage. i dont know what happened exactly because i was lagging a bit behind on my bike but i know they were being pretty reserved the wholeday and that was the only incident. i'm just glad no one was hurt and you didnt get hit scotty.

[RBPOWA-(TJ)]

hey scotty, what car you drive doesn't mean squat, i drive a suzuki ignis haha!

[Birds]

Ouch, gotta be careful on those mountain passes

[mr zed x]

hi guys, my name is scott and im sorta taking pot luck with this thread im enquiring on this forum as my cousin's a skyline jock and he recommended this site to me after i told him what happened...

im a vw owner and yesterday arvo me and a few other dubbers went for a cruise up baw baw. on the way back down the hill, we encountered a group of nissans (various- sylvias, a white 180, and i think a maroon r33). apparently one of the guys in your cruise had run into the ditch.

not trying to find out who it was nor am i looking for a sexy set of details. on behalf of the vw boys on our cruise, hope whoever had the off was not hurt, and that your ride is okay. it wasnt a pretty drive- suv's taking up the whole road and forcing you onto the grass, that frigging semi trailer that you guys may have seen, and debri all over the place.

cheers,

scotty

p.s. i realise there's every chance i'll get grilled pretty bad on here for being a vw driver, let alone a polo driver, let alone a diesel driver. i tend to shelve that stuff when people get hurt.

well atleast you show you do care !

cheers for upping the thread and seeing if all concerned was ok.. i got a PM from a member on the cruise saying what happened and you guys didnt stop, found this poor, but it is a mountain and other road users are bound to be on it..

cant comment as i wasnt there, but good to see everything turned out ok.

and no damage to driver or car.

First thought this sounded like a typical NS.com event - i mean, there is always someone that destroys something one thier "cruises"

And welll... it wasnt them it turns out...

Then i had a thought and i worked it out!

http://www.vicimportsclub.com/forums/thread-1406.html

It wasn't SAU-Vic related i can tell you that much, and hopefully no-one from SAU was involved...

I'll say no more.

yeah ash, was a vic-unoffical cruise, set up by a member.

and it was an accident, spirited driving or not.

take our first official cruise (im sure back in the say SAU had this) we had 2 accidents. no speed, just people not knowing how to drive in a pack. im sure this may have been along the same lines.

although, atleast 2 members from the mt. baw baw run ARE members of sau. one being the one involved in the incident.. cant really be shunned for exiting the road though.

glad all are ok.

[RBPOWA-(TJ)]

yeah i seen a few love tap's in pack's, seem to only happen to 32's from what i seen haha, shit happens though.

[R31Nismoid]

Actually we've never had any remotely major issues on our cruises. There was one that might come "close" to it... Was a tyre blowout (was about 4 years ago, just freakish stuff), either way it wasn't a result of anything silly. Just some severe bad luck.

Just gotta be careful as it sure seems like there wasn't much obeying of the law going on by the sound of it (from both sides)...

So when you take that into account, comes as little surprise there was an 'incident' that could well have been signifigantly worse. Which is the main issue - what if it had been worse

Something you either do, or do not want to be associated with i guess.

Indeed it's good to see no-one is hurt, but if people do not learn from this, next time it might not be so unfortunately.

[Wheezy]

Take it to a track, problem solved

[mr zed x]

Actually we've never had any remotely major issues on our cruises. There was one that might come "close" to it... Was a tyre blowout (was about 4 years ago, just freakish stuff), either way it wasn't a result of anything silly. Just some severe bad luck.

Just gotta be careful as it sure seems like there wasn't much obeying of the law going on by the sound of it (from both sides)...

So when you take that into account, comes as little surprise there was an 'incident' that could well have been signifigantly worse. Which is the main issue - what if it had been worse

Something you either do, or do not want to be associated with i guess.

Indeed it's good to see no-one is hurt, but if people do not learn from this, next time it might not be so unfortunately.

i didnt mention major, just ding's in group driving. (relates to poor control or lack of judgement on the drivers part in group driving)

as ours was in the spur, it was unavoidable i guess with 50+ cars, so we can plan better for that.

yeah taken into account. although it seems it was no ones fault, the lack of obeying road rules worries me, however it cant really be stopped.

the most recent of which was the SAU dyno day.

there were atleast 3 cars that took off rather spiritedly, (MUCH faster than needed and lossing traction in joy rides)

whilst this IS illegal, it cant really be stopped. you say dont do it, they do it when you turn around if you know what i mean?

people just need to use a little more sense, but no harm was done. no need to think of what "may" have happened as it didnt.

but agree 100% on the associated part. something needs to be address, just not sure how to go about it.

[mt. buller jock.]

hey guys, great to know that the car's okay, and most importantly, that the driver's not hurt at all.

yeah, regarding us not stopping, i regrouped with the rest of the boys down the bottom (i was lagging due to my horrible horrible stock SUV suspension, and award-winning brake fade) and the decision behind not stopping was that, because it was near the 20km/h corner (into another tight right hander iirc), that with the 4 or 5 nissan guys grouped together with hazard lights on, it'd be dodgy for us to find anywhere near there to stop, what with the tightness of that section of road, and given that the SUV's were coming out in all their oblivious, unaware, stubborn ''i-dont-know-the-dimensions-of-my-car-so-i'll-stick-to-the-middle-of-this-tiny-mtn-road" force.

our frontman had radio'd through to the rest of the pack not to stop because it was just not an accommodating road- would have done more harm than good, and atleast we knew that there were a bunch of nissan guys so they'd have had the situation under control.

pretty lame, i know, but one of the boys had already got damage to his front bar because a woman in a frigging patrol was driving with about 2 feet of bitumen still to go on the passenger side, forcing him into a large stick on the grassy shoulder.

and i know what you mean, nismoid- atleast with our cruise, i've now got warped stock discs (doesnt matter too much as ive got bigger brakes going on next week), my brakes were smoking worse than my diesel exhaust under acceleration, and my front tyres have gone from just fine, to close to the wear indicator. hardly the result of a ''cruise''.

cheers guys!

p.s. rbpowa ignis look effing SWEET with mad poke.

i really want a daihatsu ''tanto''. just came back from japan a fortnight ago, and they are SO sick. 47kw of fury might not be much, but for a daily low-n-slow, oh hell yes.

Edited March 15, 2010 by mt. buller jock.

[R31Nismoid]

Take it to a track, problem solved

Beleeiiiiee dat!

i didnt mention major, just ding's in group driving. (relates to poor control or lack of judgement on the drivers part in group driving)

as ours was in the spur, it was unavoidable i guess with 50+ cars, so we can plan better for that.

yeah taken into account. although it seems it was no ones fault, the lack of obeying road rules worries me, however it cant really be stopped.

the most recent of which was the SAU dyno day.

there were atleast 3 cars that took off rather spiritedly, (MUCH faster than needed and lossing traction in joy rides)

whilst this IS illegal, it cant really be stopped. you say dont do it, they do it when you turn around if you know what i mean?

people just need to use a little more sense, but no harm was done. no need to think of what "may" have happened as it didnt.

but agree 100% on the associated part. something needs to be address, just not sure how to go about it.

An minor tap is not much to worry about - it does happen from time to time - life really! Hardly going to kill someone though. Just hurt a wallet a tad.

Taking off "hard" is a "meh". Some people like to have their moment of fame and glory infront of 100 people, so be it really.

Can't stop it, and not really anything wrong really being done. Again as you said, cannot be stopped however if a club member decided to do a burnout out the front of RE...

Well they'd probably find themselves without a membership pretty fast

All of that though is a bit different to taking up large amounts of road (at higher than advised speeds) on tight mountain road where you rely on nothing more than luck to keep you alive...

And the post on the internet about it ugh

I think it is very important to think of what "may" have happened personally... Tis just luck nothing more serious happened.

Would be a sad day for someone in the community to die because of something like that...

[Wheezy]

You still do not know who was in the right and who was in the wrong, so I don't see how anyone can make accusations besides the people who were actually there.

[mr zed x]

one that was there, just told his side, i heard from members pretty much the same.

both lead drivers were using a little more than their lane, swerved and avoided, second car back in eaqch row did the same only the 33 was in his lane and had to swerve off the road to avoid an accident.

nothing more to it than that.

and your right ash, although we dont know the speeds they were at, and basically ALL the circumstances, so its mere guess work for no real reason.

guess its best to lock this up.

OP found out about the 33 and knows all is well, so no real need for the thread

[Wheezy]

Slightly different story to what I heard pointing towards the VW guy being more so in the wrong.

I stand corrected.

[Birds]

take our first official cruise (im sure back in the say SAU had this) we had 2 accidents. no speed, just people not knowing how to drive in a pack. im sure this may have been along the same lines.

Maybe you should educate them on the importance of an obligatory 3 second gap

but agree 100% on the associated part. something needs to be address, just not sure how to go about it.

There's no easy way about it and it takes time...but adopting a cruise culture where people who don't want to follow the rules are asked to leave will have people quickly learning how to drive safely in groups. I'm with Ash on this too (surprise, surprise), thinking about what could have happened is where the learning happens. You can't learn if the worst that could have happened does happen. This can happen in any car club and no one is pointing the finger at Vic Imports so there's no need to project it back on SAU...it's an issue that every car club needs to address and enforce their club position on it.

[NickR33]

Taking off "hard" is a "meh". Some people like to have their moment of fame and glory infront of 100 people, so be it really.

Can't stop it, and not really anything wrong really being done. Again as you said, cannot be stopped however if a club member decided to do a burnout out the front of RE...

Well they'd probably find themselves without a membership pretty fast

why would you want to when you can go to DECA and do the same thing... except not only will you get to keep your membership but everyone will clap your efforts, no cops will bust your arse AND you can get some pics of you pulling a fat burnout and post them on the internetz for mad props ... without getting slammed by moderators;)

[mr zed x]

Slightly different story to what I heard pointing towards the VW guy being more so in the wrong.

I stand corrected.

i mean as in, the 33 concerned was in HIS OWN lane, not the VW's lane.

so the VW was in the wrong.

im not defending a club member, im just stating as i read it and how the OP posted.

so no need to stand corrected, you just miss-read my post

Maybe you should educate them on the importance of an obligatory 3 second gap

There's no easy way about it and it takes time...but adopting a cruise culture where people who don't want to follow the rules are asked to leave will have people quickly learning how to drive safely in groups. I'm with Ash on this too (surprise, surprise), thinking about what could have happened is where the learning happens. You can't learn if the worst that could have happened does happen. This can happen in any car club and no one is pointing the finger at Vic Imports so there's no need to project it back on SAU...it's an issue that every car club needs to address and enforce their club position on it.

haha, 3 second gap would be fantastic, but educating on that would not work unfortunatly.

yeah your exactly right. and every official cruise we had, every rule was followed (as simpl as stay in the left lane to giving way to every road user basically)

luckily enough, no one has done anything silly enough to warrant them being asked to leave + banning.

but i guess you right in that aspect. just hard for the parties involved, to have so many point the finger at "whos in the wrong".

and no, i know that, it makes no difference if it were SAU or NS.com to my club.

i wasnt attacking SAU, just merely showing no matter how old we are or member base, its a very tough thing to controll.

we have strongly pointed to all members the rule in which the club is run, they agree and start their cruise.

and in this instance, i cannot see it being one persons fault, rather the actions of a few that MAY have caused it to be unsafe, however its mere guessing.

happens again and then it will be dealt with more swiftly.

[Birds]

Good to hear mate.

It's a difficult situation when no one knows who to point the finger at - I guess that is where the prevention part of it is so important. And it's much harder to lay the law on your friends than your enemies, but it's the friends that people will listen to and that's why that sort of responsible culture is so important within a car club who want to preserve their reputation. After that, from my experience, anyone who wants to fit in will adopt it quickly. I wish you guys all the best on your future cruises

May our rides and our lives live on - in that order