Mark Webber Attacks 'nanny State'

[Birds]

There are laws here to protect you...and other people from you. Yes...without them you couldn't go about your life safely. It sounds to me like you've never been in the shit and depended on these laws - but there are alot of people who do - and no you don't have to go looking for trouble, sometimes it just comes to you because there are alot of people out there who are out for themselves and will do what they can to get what they want.

Regulations exist because of liability. If something bad happens, someone has to take the blame. Average Joe isn't an expert in everything he does. Were he an expert on road safety, we could trust him to gauge the appropriate speed limit for himself. Since he isn't, we have professionals who do it for us and plaster the speed limit on a sign that you must abide by. On the same note, do you believe OH&S legislation/regulations/procedures are overregulated here? Because construction site safety standards, for example, are alot safer here than in the UAE and China. Consequently we have alot less workplace accidents. If you want the power to choose at your own discretion, along with this comes responsibility - so you can kiss goodbye your right to blame someone else for what happens to you and receive compensation for it.

So why are we assuming I haven't visited other countries? These countries you speak of, where people are still allowed to make more choices than in Australia...please list some of them as I would like to compare them to Australia on both freedoms and the levels that the added freedoms impact upon - you must recognise that these freedoms have consequences beyond simply enjoying being able to choose what you do.

The way you make it sound, it's as if you're on 24 hour lockdown in your own home. Tell me where during the course of your daily life you struggle to move along because you run into a law that prevents you from doing so? Unless you make a living out of burglary I'm not seeing / buying it.

[adznight]

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I don’t know what’s more WTF about this picture, the way these two are riding a moped or the fact that the dog has sunglasses on.

[Roy]

people dont rise up to be running the state cos they moved up from local coucil or similar thats nonsense, they get their through peoples votes and internal party votes , and yes the party does help but those clowns are easily removed via public vote the problem lies that they are only replaced by another clown.

A state is run by councils, state government and a whole myriad of public departments. It is not "run" by the few elected officials.

The beurocracy you must endure when dealing with many of them, the lack or performance, poor effeciency, cost to the public and how they shape our community should not be discounted. I dont want to offend those in the public service, many selflessly devote their lives to public service, however you try running a private business where you must work with health inspectors, work with govt offices for project approvals, deal with the EPA, Dept of Transport etc. The machine works, and works better then som eother countries, we are fortunate that we are the lucky country, because we are not the smart country

[Birds]

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I don’t know what’s more WTF about this picture, the way these two are riding a moped or the fact that the dog has sunglasses on.

For a second there I thought the guy had four arms, on second look it's a split colour jacket.

[alr33x]

A state is run by councils, state government and a whole myriad of public departments. It is not "run" by the few elected officials.

The beurocracy you must endure when dealing with many of them, the lack or performance, poor effeciency, cost to the public and how they shape our community should not be discounted. I dont want to offend those in the public service, many selflessly devote their lives to public service, however you try running a private business where you must work with health inspectors, work with govt offices for project approvals, deal with the EPA, Dept of Transport etc. The machine works, and works better then som eother countries, we are fortunate that we are the lucky country, because we are not the smart country

not disagreeing its over the top, in fact your spot on i hate all these departments its a fkn joke.

but even your local councils are elected, but my point was more to the fact that you cant just be promoted up the rungs of politics to be running the show.

[Roy]

but even your local councils are elected, but my point was more to the fact that you cant just be promoted up the rungs of politics to be running the show.

We vote for the poster boy/girl. The interesting statistic would be the number of public servants who acquire their position through an internal election or public election. If the gene pool is poor then who we vote for matters for very little as the dozens of people in their deparment who devote their day to finding reasons why not to do things effeciently etc. LOL, i am biased for a number of reasons, and i am probably not being fair.

A lot of politics should not be about politics but about resource management (resources: people, money, materials, etc) ... some decisions boggle the mind...and too much politics is about head lines and sound bytes to esure that they are ideally positioned to be elected, or position themselves to look other folk with vested interests while in power. The budgets they are afforded and what is accomplished with such budgets is alarming. Grow the population and tax them more is the answer

[alr33x]

We vote for the poster boy/girl. The interesting statistic would be the number of public servants who acquire their position through an internal election or public election. If the gene pool is poor then who we vote for matters for very little as the dozens of people in their deparment who devote their day to finding reasons why not to do things effeciently etc. LOL, i am biased for a number of reasons, and i am probably not being fair.

A lot of politics should not be about politics but about resource management (resources: people, money, materials, etc) ... some decisions boggle the mind...and too much politics is about head lines and sound bytes to esure that they are ideally positioned to be elected, or position themselves to look other folk with vested interests while in power. The budgets they are afforded and what is accomplished with such budgets is alarming. Grow the population and tax them more is the answer

i pay plenty of tax thanks very much lol but lets not start on the tax system

[IOWNU]

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Double post.

[IOWNU]

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Double post.

[IOWNU]

That's my case though man, I'm in agreement with you. What I'm saying is the current take on road laws obviously isn't bothering the majority enough that they want to throw out our government because of it. Therefore it's a moot point - if alot of people actually gave a shit about the trivial issue of whether you can get away with a tailslide or not, then changes to road rules would be a determinant in an election. Gotta face the facts that the only people whinging about the freedoms/restrictions of road rules are car enthusiasts and racing drivers. If it were up to me we would have the 10% tolerance on speed limits but this state seems to like things the way it is. I'm in a minority so I gotta suck it up.

Well, the majority of people might think that the road rules are indeed too strict, it doesn't have to be an election issue for people

to have an opinion on something. They might indeed want to see change, but like you said the issue isn't weighty enough

to warrant lobbying for change when there are clearly bigger issues at hand. Which leads back to the original point I made....just because

the Government wasn't ousted, doesn't mean people don't want relaxed road rules (as per your original comment).

[180Roman]

saw this article in the cars guide today while i was borred at work

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-...ers_need_longer

[jjskyline79]

Interesting videos about the desal plant and piping water from taz even I passed them on (a Pohmy would you Adam and Eve it????)

common sense where the f**k did it go????

Thing is after it all being said and done and even if you managed to over turn anything they would only come back with a "revised" plan later and say something like "we didnt ask the right questions at the right time"

And as there are a lot of stupid people out there they only have too bank on them???

der its red this time!!!! Yeah man gets my vote

You fools shakes head

[mistamidget]

ha ha lest you dont have coppers handing out flat shoes for pissed girls on the weekend

yet

.btw the fine for being a pissed girl will be $500 + gst + shoe hire fee of $100 + gst + gst

.haha wait until you hear the pissed bloke costs

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[bluejeans]

anyone see this?

linky!

[alr33x]

slow news week i guess?

[AGE]

I've ordered mine....

[bluejeans]

lol

[JZP]

My opinion of Mark Webber went up in my books.

He had the guts to state what a vast majority of the public think...

Edited April 6, 2010 by JZP

[Basti]

It's an unfortunate reality but when it comes to alot of things we can't actually trust average Joe to know what he's doing. It's somewhat comforting to know there is alot of red tape and regulation standing between him and I.

the solution to this is to enable joe to think for himself, and to understand how to do what he wants to do safely. case in point - if im doing 60km/h down a residential street at 11pm, and i am unable to stop in time because a child runs out on the road, i ask, WTF is a child doing outside at that time of night and why were they not taught that the road is a dangerous place to be? (leaving aside the fact that i would feel guilty regardless for harming another)

in the us, your allowed to own a lion or tiger... A f**kING LION!

wish we had these laws here..

why would you wanna own a tiger/lion?

I think the question is why wouldn't you!?

imagine driving a chariot drawn by tigers to and from work everyday. zero C02 emissions nigga!

the thing about desal is that its the only way to go, the skies aren't providing enough water, and i'm not sure if people are willing to drink the water that carried away their own pee/shit.

They just need to get over the mental barrier and realise that we do that anyway

and its generally purer water than what comes out of your tap anyway

Hence my call for an IQ test to determine voting eligibility...can't have that in democracy though

THIS. combined with voluntary voting will remove the donkey votes that elect the monkeys in power atm

birds, i think the point is not that some people are just too stupid for their own good and need laws to keep them alive, but that the powers that be are introducing laws that do this only on face value. the issues they claim to fix, or the threats they claim to protect us from show no signs of abating. and once you drop the speed limit to 90 nationally, its only another 10km/h to 80. and by 2050, i could walk to the cbd faster than i'd get there using any form of motorised transport.

my 2.10426 rupees. (take that barbs!)

[bozodos]

I like how on one hand they want to speed things up, but on the other slow them down!