Interview With Lisa Lilley - Shell V-power & Ferrari.

[R31Nismoid]

Just finished off what i spent a bit of time on over the last week and a bit.

An interesting read for some i am sure:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/In...ey-t315437.html

Cheers.

[GTR-N1]

Thanks for the interesting read. I read your other post first in fact. You certainly were able to get down a lot of data from a phone interview.

One time, I had a faulty shut-off at the bowser and some V-Power overflowed onto the ground.

As I turned to get some water to clean the spill on the car, I slipped over onto my bum due to the detergents in the fuel I suspect.

Then I wondered after all the R&D that had gone into making this formula, would it be hard or easy to use 'mass spectrometry' to determine what %age ingredients have gone into making this fuel?

In the wash of things, 'tis good that high quality fuels are available for sophisticated engines.

[Kujotk]

Great read Ash,

But they still didn't answer why my Skyline (r33 gtst) never runs properly on shell fuel, car doesn't idle properly, don't get asmuch fuel economy conmpared to caltex/bp/mobil/united, theres alittle more ping than usual, car isn't as confident or as quick of the mark.

But does anyone else have this problem aswell with their skylines with a certain brand of fuel, I know that there are only a couple of oil refineries in Australia that turn out all the different brands of fuel but the issues only come up with shell v power fuels.

Ive been meaning to ask people since last weekend when Shell had a campaign of 14cents/litre off the usual price and I filled up from empty with shell.

I haven't used shell in over a year, I thought it was just my imagination with the fuels along time ago but after not having any idle issues or ping ect... in over a year it is definately the fuel. The car isn't a high hp car, just the usual bolt onns, and it hasn't been tuned to any fuel.

This morning I refuelled with mobil and no issues, car rolled into the petrol station alittle injured, and after a minute of idle i set off and the car was back to normal.

My other cars run fine on Shell and one is a twin turbo and other is NA.

I'm just curious to see if i'm the only one

[JoelyMoley]

Great read Ash,

But they still didn't answer why my Skyline (r33 gtst) never runs properly on shell fuel, car doesn't idle properly, don't get asmuch fuel economy conmpared to caltex/bp/mobil/united, theres alittle more ping than usual, car isn't as confident or as quick of the mark.

But does anyone else have this problem aswell with their skylines with a certain brand of fuel, I know that there are only a couple of oil refineries in Australia that turn out all the different brands of fuel but the issues only come up with shell v power fuels.

Ive been meaning to ask people since last weekend when Shell had a campaign of 14cents/litre off the usual price and I filled up from empty with shell.

I haven't used shell in over a year, I thought it was just my imagination with the fuels along time ago but after not having any idle issues or ping ect... in over a year it is definately the fuel. The car isn't a high hp car, just the usual bolt onns, and it hasn't been tuned to any fuel.

This morning I refuelled with mobil and no issues, car rolled into the petrol station alittle injured, and after a minute of idle i set off and the car was back to normal.

My other cars run fine on Shell and one is a twin turbo and other is NA.

I'm just curious to see if i'm the only one

after reading many responses like yours about vpower i stuck clear from it when i first got my skyline and used ultimate... what do you know, one day happened to HAVE to use vpower and bobs your uncle! better fuel economy, and generally runs better! ill have to try ultimate again now that im not so throttle happy but vpower gets me about ~100km extra out of a tank!

[SECURITY]

i definitely would have liked to ask why ping is seen earlier using v-power in comparison to 8000/ultimate. it is clear that any producer would test their own fuels against competitors and find out why/how theirs differs. even my mates who do petroleum engineering at uni do this.

it sounds like there were a set criteria of questions that could only be asked as it looks like you didnt take too much consideration of the questions that members would have liked to ask in the thread you started not long ago, especially getting another chance to do so: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Sh...nd-t262611.html

you only answered the e85 question in the first meeting. would have been good to get a discussion going about the quality of fuels after this phone interview.

either way, at the very least you got some experience doing phone interviews.

[Kujotk]

it also depends on your cars previous history joel, maybe yours had once been tuned to a similar fuel in the past or something who knows?

But after doing some quick sau forum searches I find that i'm not alone when it comes to vpower and my car running pretty shithouse with the fuel in it. Also not every engine is exactly the same, there are slight variations from engine to engine that may work better with certain fuels than others just by chance. Also it could have something to do with the different series of rb's that were produced, it does seem that more series 2 r33's tend to run sluggish with shell.

FOr my skyline vpower runs like crap with it, but with my maserati it runs like a dream, shell tests their fuels on Ferrari, my maserati engine is made by ferrari, shell isn't a major player in asia, so maybe they don't bother too much with developing a fuel for older asian cars??? who knows this is all speculation but it would be interesting to know what the real reasons are...

[JoelyMoley]

it also depends on your cars previous history joel, maybe yours had once been tuned to a similar fuel in the past or something who knows?

But after doing some quick sau forum searches I find that i'm not alone when it comes to vpower and my car running pretty shithouse with the fuel in it. Also not every engine is exactly the same, there are slight variations from engine to engine that may work better with certain fuels than others just by chance. Also it could have something to do with the different series of rb's that were produced, it does seem that more series 2 r33's tend to run sluggish with shell.

FOr my skyline vpower runs like crap with it, but with my maserati it runs like a dream, shell tests their fuels on Ferrari, my maserati engine is made by ferrari, shell isn't a major player in asia, so maybe they don't bother too much with developing a fuel for older asian cars??? who knows this is all speculation but it would be interesting to know what the real reasons are...

yea, also my experience has to be taken with a grain of salt, i noticed the difference about a week and a half into owning the car so i didn't exactly know my engine and all its nick-nacks so ill definitely be trying some ultimate next fillup!

[R31Nismoid]

i definitely would have liked to ask why ping is seen earlier using v-power in comparison to 8000/ultimate. it is clear that any producer would test their own fuels against competitors and find out why/how theirs differs. even my mates who do petroleum engineering at uni do this.

it sounds like there were a set criteria of questions that could only be asked as it looks like you didnt take too much consideration of the questions that members would have liked to ask in the thread you started not long ago, especially getting another chance to do so: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Sh...nd-t262611.html

you only answered the e85 question in the first meeting. would have been good to get a discussion going about the quality of fuels after this phone interview.

either way, at the very least you got some experience doing phone interviews.

Given i had a very short amount of time - this time i had to place questions carefully to get as much benefit as possible. Given SAU users are generally more technical, that's where i went with it.

There was also issues with the phone link up which cost me around 10mins, i did have more Q's but ye... no joy unfortunately there which was a bummer but out of our control

Remember this is a interview with Shell's rep that works with Ferrari on a highly tecnical level...

Asking questions about E85, V-Power racing's return etc is rather pointless as that is for Shell's Australiam Marketing arm to answer, not the Shell/Ferrari F1 Technical expert... so hence in 2009 those questions went unanswered as they did this year as well.

If you want to know more about E85/V-Power Racing i might be able to get some contact details for marketing, but it's not what I'm chasing in terms of information.

[SECURITY]

well im sure a lot of that information would have popped up eventually in a google search. they're not really topics that i would see to have started a discussion on here.

IMO you could have replaced a few questions with something of a little more substance. i would have definitely asked about the ping question with something like 'a large percentage of tuners have noticed quite consistently that pre ignition occures at lower cam timing in comparison to mobil 8000 and bp ultimate, is this something shell has investigated?', if they didnt have an answer who knows where it could end up? maybe another interview with someone a little more technical? maybe a plant visit? as you could always ignore the reply in the interview and follow up with an email asking if it was possible to speak to someone with a bit more technical knowledge.

Edited April 6, 2010 by SECURITY

[Birds]

i definitely would have liked to ask why ping is seen earlier using v-power in comparison to 8000/ultimate. it is clear that any producer would test their own fuels against competitors and find out why/how theirs differs. even my mates who do petroleum engineering at uni do this.

it sounds like there were a set criteria of questions that could only be asked as it looks like you didnt take too much consideration of the questions that members would have liked to ask in the thread you started not long ago, especially getting another chance to do so: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Sh...nd-t262611.html

you only answered the e85 question in the first meeting. would have been good to get a discussion going about the quality of fuels after this phone interview.

either way, at the very least you got some experience doing phone interviews.

well im sure a lot of that information would have popped up eventually in a google search. they're not really topics that i would see to have started a discussion on here.

IMO you could have replaced a few questions with something of a little more substance. i would have definitely asked about the ping question with something like 'a large percentage of tuners have noticed quite consistently that pre ignition occures at lower cam timing in comparison to mobil 8000 and bp ultimate, is this something shell has investigated?', if they didnt have an answer who knows where it could end up? maybe another interview with someone a little more technical? maybe a plant visit? as you could always ignore the reply in the interview and follow up with an email asking if it was possible to speak to someone with a bit more technical knowledge.

Lisa Lilley was here for Formula 1, i.e. Shell and Ferrari. You're asking the wrong person the wrong questions because that wasn't the kind of interview she was kind enough to take time out of her day for. The interview was supposed to be about the technical side of the changes to Formula 1 rules, hence those questions were asked and we only touched on the idea of it having anything to do with road going vehicles. Do you think she'd actually respond positively if you asked her the rhetorical question of why V-Power pings earlier on than Ultimate or 8000? And for that matter, if she did answer, what would you expect her to say, that V-Power is inferior to Ultimate or 8000? Chick had Shell's marketing advisor and PR firm on the same line. Of course you could find the information elsewhere, most interviews are homogeneous as are newspaper articles on the same topic. Poor Ash had very little time with which to come up with questions and we didn't get to ask half of them because of phone line issues. It's also quite hard to dictate a phone intervies with a laptop when recording a phone conversation is illegal AFAIK

Well done on putting it together mate.

[R31Nismoid]

well im sure a lot of that information would have popped up eventually in a google search. they're not really topics that i would see to have started a discussion on here.

IMO you could have replaced a few questions with something of a little more substance. i would have definitely asked about the ping question with something like 'a large percentage of tuners have noticed quite consistently that pre ignition occures at lower cam timing in comparison to mobil 8000 and bp ultimate, is this something shell has investigated?', if they didnt have an answer who knows where it could end up? maybe another interview with someone a little more technical? maybe a plant visit? as you could always ignore the reply in the interview and follow up with an email asking if it was possible to speak to someone with a bit more technical knowledge.

As for someone more technical? What are you on about...

Lisa is the Tech Manager for Shell, she has a PhD. Do you?

If you want more information about the fuel sold @ your local bowser - then like i said, ring Shell Australia yourself, and ask your own questions. Hell get your own refinery tour.

That is not the purpose of the interview that i did, if you cannot see that (or accept it), well bad luck..

[SECURITY]

then i dont see how she couldn't have answered your questions if she has a PhD. im sure any I.T. geek that worked there could have probably answered the questions.

like i said, you asked questions nobody really cares about so in essence you did waste your time a bit there especially when shell has a reputation of pinging at lower timing. sure you'll get the odd person saying 'great stuff' bla bla... but i guarantee no real discussions will be made out of it. you should probably leave the questioning to someone who is a bit more educated and isnt afraid of asking them next time.

[R31Nismoid]

Oh... sigh & facepalm... Once again i'll try to make it nice and clear for you.

This time read very slowly please. Make sure you understand each sentence before moving to the next - ok?

The interview was about the F1 GP 2010 and Ferrari/Shell involvement. Whats changed, challenges and so on.

It was an interest piece that hopefully some would find - interesting. The purpose was NOT to ask about a percieved issue with a local product - something which Lisa has no damn involvement with (For some reason you miss this key point).

Feel free to ring Shell Australia yourself, even ask for that refinery tour you want hey?

Shell - Technical Product Assistance - 13 16 18

Any further rubbish from you in this thread will be removed as for whatever reason you are unable to comprehend what's being explained to you.

[SECURITY]

That's the exact response I was expecting from you. You seem to always miss the main point and make it about something else and give your usual "I'll remove your rubbish" line, making it out like I'm the one who missed the point.

It just sucks nobody gives a rats about your interview as it could have been great, I'm just giving you a few indication as to why it was a flop. You can't seem to hold an argument which is why I said someone a little more educated should do the next interview. I would do it except I don't give a rats about Shell let alone Ferrari...... Just like most on here.

No reason to bust an artory over it bud.

[Birds]

LOL, Kerry, I mean, SECURITY, this wasn't an ABC 7:30 report grilling of a politician. Lisa Lilley couldn't answer your questions if she wanted to because it's not her area, nor is it within her rights to answer those questions on behalf of Shell. Even if it was, what answer would you expect from the ridiculously accusing questions you put forth. If you really don't care about Shell or Ferrari for that matter - do yourself a favour and don't click on the thread that says "Shell & Ferrari". Might be a good idea to stick this in the Motorsport section too Ash, as those boys will probably find it more relevant than people who want to know why their Skyline doesn't like a particular brand of fuel.

[SECURITY]

good idea Reg. nobody cares around these parts.

like i said, it wouldnt be asked in a way that would seem obnoxious. there are always ways of asking things without actually asking them. like, 'does shell ever experiment with fuel mixtures for ferrari to produce a lower pre-ignition threshold? and how does this compare with other 98 blend fuels?' the worst she would say is that she doesnt have any information on it.

[R31Nismoid]

^ lol... ye, some people are just to thick for their own good at times.

That's the exact response I was expecting from you. You seem to always miss the main point and make it about something else and give your usual "I'll remove your rubbish" line, making it out like I'm the one who missed the point.

It just sucks nobody gives a rats about your interview as it could have been great, I'm just giving you a few indication as to why it was a flop. You can't seem to hold an argument which is why I said someone a little more educated should do the next interview. I would do it except I don't give a rats about Shell let alone Ferrari...... Just like most on here.

No reason to bust an artory over it bud.

You have entirely missed the point of the interview, what it was about, what it was meant to achieve.

Can i try once more to spell it out nice and simple for you? Perhaps you might understand this time?

It was about Shell/Ferrari & F1 2010 season... That is IT.

Challenges they have faced, whats instore, generally a bit more info than you'd read in a newspaper for the masses. etc

It was not about your local service station's product.

It was not about some percieved issue with tuning using Shell's local product in Skylines.

It was not about grilling someone who cannot reasonably address the above two points

As honestly.. How can you expect someone working @ Maranello, Italy (with Ferrari) to answer questions about a NSW petrol bowser?

That is the most unrealistic expectation possible. It'll never happen, such questions/issues would never have been commented on and are therefore a waste of time to ask.

Hopefully i get to do it again next year, however if i was to ask a bunch of stupid questions of which i'd never get an answer - i'd expect they would not invite me back for wasting their time.

Please tell me you comprehend it all this time?

BTW - I understand what you are saying - It's just irrelevant and out of scope.

[SECURITY]

i know exactly what you're talking about, you just seem to miss that i do not care about what you are saying so i ignore it. quite simple.

what i care about (and what you are not understanding) is this:

- if you are asking about their fuel regulations, e85 (briefly in 09 with the same person, correct?), possible development for shell's fuels and also make the statement that the F1 cars can use the stuff that is in OUR pumps (with decreased horsepower as you stated) then why couldnt you ask about fuel mixtures and what it means for the domestic market on a production level to compare to other manufacturers? it just seems like the next logical question to ask.

- why make the thread about questions you should ask if you werent going to ask them? was this just so people give you attention and/or make it known you are about to talk to shell/ferrari?

i think you need to understand that i dont care who you talked to or what their field is, the fact is you touched on subjects that could have easily lead to some real discussion and possibly further (and more interesting) information. yet you'd rather speculate as to the extent of Shell's rep's knowledge.

[Birds]

I think I'll ask Peter Garrett why the grass in my backyard isn't growing...he should have the answer somewhere in his portfolio of environmental concerns

[kimbod]

Racing fuel used by Formula 1 is so exotic and complex it has no comparison to normal production fuel. Shell Clyde used to make a special Daisy Hill blend for DJR's Ford Sierras and we made a special blend for Colin Bonds Turbo Alfa. It used special crudes and a once only run on one of our Reformers to produce . It was very expensive to make. In the 1.5 ltr Turbo days the fuels used were so special and toxic , special handling was used.