Shifter Opening Clearance

[Nic_A31]

Whats up ladies,

Noticed last night that my shifter sits very far forward in the tunnel opening.

Want to see others just to make sure mine is normal.

The leather boot on the centre console always has heaps of slack on the front row (1, 3, 5), and stretches almost dismounting itself on the rear row.

What's the deal with this? are the Ceffy manual boxes longer than R32? or is the floorplan different between factory manual and auto ? or is mine a freak?

Pic attatched.

Excuse the excessive size of the photo.

[RB25DETC33]

Whats up ladies,

Noticed last night that my shifter sits very far forward in the tunnel opening.

Want to see others just to make sure mine is normal.

The leather boot on the centre console always has heaps of slack on the front row (1, 3, 5), and stretches almost dismounting itself on the rear row.

What's the deal with this? are the Ceffy manual boxes longer than R32? or is the floorplan different between factory manual and auto ? or is mine a freak?

Pic attatched.

Excuse the excessive size of the photo.

How does that work? that doesn't look right, although myne has a 25box im pretty sure that all rb20,25 boxs are ths same in length. Pretty sure it should sit further back than that.

[Nic_A31]

Yeah I was under the impression the 25 boxes were middle in the centre are and wider, but the same length, hence the same driveshafts and shit.

Box is mounted up to the engine all sweet, gearbox crossmember doesnt look out of place, driveshafts are fully connected, etc

Dunno whats up ... :\

[Dan_J]

nah i think its coz ur body was originally auto,think i had 2 hack mine slightly to fit perfect . also rb30 box sits more forward

[daisu]

Mine was original auto and converted to manual using an R32 RB20 engine and box, and it sits smack bang in the center.

If yours is too far forward then possibly the engine mounts/brackets?

Dan_J's suggestion about the RB30 box seems more logical though.

Not sure how you tell between an RB20 and RB30 box.

[Nic_A31]

This might be why the car had the wobbles before.

The engine appears to be sitting normal but I'll have a deeper look at both crossmembers and the mounts.

Cheers fella's

Any help identifying RB30 box will also be appreciated

[Dan_J]

mite have to do with ceffy engine crossmember and r32 member?luke, yours is a r32 engine, may have had a r32 member to go with it. if the front engine is lower( ceffy member) that wud pull the gear box with it.

just a thought.

edit:DAM! spot on nick 7:11

Edited April 8, 2010 by Dan_J

[Nic_A31]

That wouldn't pull the gearbox forward though, it would tilt it down, but surely wouldnt pull it that far forward without side effects?

[Dan_J]

think about it, it wud go in a diagonal direction.

more pics from manual'ed auto ceffy's to confirm

[Conrad 2NR]

Mine sits dead center and was a auto ---> manual conversion.

BTW can I use a S15 manual crossmember under the gearbox instead of a S13?

[daisu]

mite have to do with ceffy engine crossmember and r32 member?luke, yours is a r32 engine, may have had a r32 member to go with it. if the front engine is lower( ceffy member) that wud pull the gear box with it.

just a thought.

edit:DAM! spot on nick 7:11

I don't think the R32 crossmember fits in the cefiro because of the different front end suspension.

They use cefiro crossmembers in S13 for RB conversions.

[Nic_A31]

Yeah, the chassis rails are different length apart as well arent they?

(A31 is closer to S13 Chassis) and the Ceffy crossmembers comply with S13 Radius Rods and sway bars.

[esky_mad]

ive had rb30 and rb20 boxes and they both sit in that same spot, in the old cefiro however the 20 box was in the center. both having been originally auto. trying different gearbox crossmembers wont change where it sits, only how high or low it might sit.

[toffy]

when i blew my origional ceff box i put a r32 one in and it went forward like that , i thought r32 gearboxes may be slightly different in the shifter location to the r31/a31 manual??

[esky_mad]

RB30 RP71C

RB20 RB71C

look on the right hand side of the belhousing and you'll see the stamped ID.

theres a bit of conflicting info on the net but i just checked my two dead 30 boxes and my 20 box, the 20 box also has alot more webbing on the outside of the bellhousing.

i think its more to do with the floor pan than anything, as the boxes are the same length from bellhousing to shifter.

my first cefiro came turbo auto, manual box was centred. second cefiro was non-turbo auto manual box was not centred.

Edited April 11, 2010 by esky_mad

[daisu]

RB30 RP71C

RB20 RB71C

look on the right hand side of the belhousing and you'll see the stamped ID.

theres a bit of conflicting info on the net but i just checked my two dead 30 boxes and my 20 box, the 20 box also has alot more webbing on the outside of the bellhousing.

i think its more to do with the floor pan than anything, as the boxes are the same length from bellhousing to shifter.

my first cefiro came turbo auto, manual box was centred. second cefiro was non-turbo auto manual box was not centred.

If you've got gearboxes lying around in your garage perhaps you could take a tape measure to them, so then Nic_A31 can compare to his.

[Nic_A31]

RB30 RP71C

RB20 RB71C

look on the right hand side of the belhousing and you'll see the stamped ID.

theres a bit of conflicting info on the net but i just checked my two dead 30 boxes and my 20 box, the 20 box also has alot more webbing on the outside of the bellhousing.

i think its more to do with the floor pan than anything, as the boxes are the same length from bellhousing to shifter.

my first cefiro came turbo auto, manual box was centred. second cefiro was non-turbo auto manual box was not centred.

Thank you good sir, a million. I'll check this out as soon as I can.

If you've got gearboxes lying around in your garage perhaps you could take a tape measure to them, so then Nic_A31 can compare to his.

+1 measurements would be great, or even a side by side picture?

Boxes probably are the same length but maybe the shifter on the box sits differently between the two ?

[esky_mad]

just measure them up.

RB30: measuring from front of bellhousing to where the shifter slots into the box shifter mechanism (dont no technical term) is 74cm

from front of bellhousing to the end of the shifter palte is 79cm.

RB20 is exactly the same.

[Nic_A31]

Thanks dude.

Definately floorplan related then I guess...this is odd

[esky_mad]

wonder if anyone has ever measured the tunnel of auto and manual cefiros to see if there different...