To Motorbike Owners (well Not Limited Too Lol)

[PM-R33]

Ninja 250 seems to be the popular one but for THE LOVE OF GOD do not be one of those that buy's that Hyosung junk seriously like don't know what people are thinking when they buy those (not to offend anyone) Charles you might want to take a look at the LAMS list http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyre...ebruary2010.pdf it's the new laws which allow higher bikes and bases it on power to weight rather than 250cc MAXIMUM!!!!!

I have a Hyosung 250R and i love it for a first road bike. I wanted a bigger frame bike as most bikes I sat on were far to small for me. Bang for buck they are great. Picked mine up dirt cheap, had 6000km on it, was black and looked like a nice modern bike. Havn't had one problem with it since owning it.

While the Ninja 250R is a nice bike, i couldn't justify the price tag on one when i knew within a year i would be selling it any way.

[Cowboy1600]

I'll be happy with a 600 around town

That's cause you've never ridden a 1000

Do yourself a favour, ride both before making up your mind.

[JamesK]

My cousin at the last phillip island track day on his duke.... was great to see a naked lapping quicker than a lot of hypersports bikes.

Hahah I like the fact that when it comes down to the core, bikes are seriously dependent on the actual rider, skills is everything

[JamesK]

Hyosung 250's aren't that bad.

Eeeer, actually Hyosungs are bloody great bikes for what they are. Their build quality is perfectly acceptable for a bike built to a budget.

I have a Hyosung 250R and i love it for a first road bike.

I know Hyosungs are great price was but as a bike I couldn't never really see myself getting around to it, but this is why I love forums and other peoples opinion, maybe I should start giving Hyosungs another chance, I've never rode one so my post was probably out of line and probably should shut up until I actually give it a fair go

[PM-R33]

That's cause you've never ridden a 1000

Do yourself a favour, ride both before making up your mind.

Fair enough i might do that but considering i've been riding a 250 for quite some time now, both a 600 and 1000 is going to seem like a whole new world to me. So while the 1000 might in your opinion be that much better than a 600, it wouldn't feel that much better to me since i've been riding a 250. If you know what i mean, kind of hard to explain.

Honestly i love the looks of the black 09 R6's and it is within my price range. Good mate of mine that I go riding with has an 08 red/white R6 with a full titanium exhaust, power commander, intake etc and the thing flys and sounds gorgeous. It would be more than enough for what I want to use the bike for riding around town.

Edited April 15, 2010 by PM-R33

[JamesK]

That's cause you've never ridden a 1000

Do yourself a favour, ride both before making up your mind.

Hahah woowww there cowboy, you seem REALLY persistent on the 1000cc's I respect that but you gotta admit there are some fair points from the other guys as well, everyone is entitled to their opinion right?

[PM-R33]

I know Hyosungs are great price was but as a bike I couldn't never really see myself getting around to it, but this is why I love forums and other peoples opinion, maybe I should start giving Hyosungs another chance, I've never rode one so my post was probably out of line and probably should shut up until I actually give it a fair go

All good man. The way i see those bikes is there a "step up" bike. You own them for a little while and then step up to the bike that you want to buy once you have an unrestricted license. They are cheap and good to learn on so for that purpose are very popular.

[JEPPE]

Disagree with my disagreement?!?!

The track and the road can't be compared. If you ride on the road like you should on a track....bye bye.

Collected and in control? It depends on who you are but I ride far better now that I have done the track, idiots ride the same on either one. After you've been on the track you are able to appreciate how important cornering speed and position is. If you're a maniac and can't avoid cars, then you definitely shouldn't be on a bike let alone a thousand. That's the only difference between road and track, the speed difference is just a matter of riding according to speed/setting etc.

In the case of relying on peak horse power, I putter around on my 600 like it's a car (that's slow btw). You will barely ever get to use your bikes full potential on the road whether it is a 600 or thou. Suspension is changable, it is advisable to have it adjusted according to your height and weight by a professional (SW Racing is awesome for that btw).

The extra weight of a 1000 compared to a 600 is about 10kg, barely anything, just gain a few kilos! This extra 10 kilos is also set up with suspension for that extra 10 kilos, making them the same in handling set up in that regard.

On a smooth racetrack a firm bike with as little unsprung weight as possible is preferred, but on the road that extra mass helps to deal with poor road surfaces.

Again, different set up in the suspension is preffered, not more weight. You will never get the perfect combination you need for weight on your forks and spring if you are relying on a heavy bike.

If you get on the gas hard enough to break traction when trying to ride through a head shake then you're doing something wrong. 600s have less weight and are generally set up sharper than a thou so they are more likely to get a wobble up.

This was my 750 so my 600 would therefore be even lighter and has no trouble with steering through tight corners. Head shake is probably the wrong definition of what was happening, more the steering dropped in or out depening on which way it was favoured, not hard to gas out of but it is easy to lose traction on those bikes (especially when I am so light) around any corner if you hit the throttle to quickly (can happen from frightened response).

[JamesK]

All good man. The way i see those bikes is there a "step up" bike. You own them for a little while and then step up to the bike that you want to buy once you have an unrestricted license. They are cheap and good to learn on so for that purpose are very popular.

Yea I think when it comes to bikes you really need to step up one mistake in a car, your chances of not getting hurt is ridiculous compared to a car, which is why as soon as I get my bike i'm going for advanced and defensive riding....anyone else want in?

[Cowboy1600]

Hahah woowww there cowboy, you seem REALLY persistent on the 1000cc's I respect that but you gotta admit there are some fair points from the other guys as well, everyone is entitled to their opinion right?

Of course, but you need to make sure that those opinions are well informed. Mine come from 15 years or riding experience.

You name it, I've seen it. I've seen people run the "a 600 will be perfect" line only to run the "want more, I'm upgrading" 6 months down the track more times than I care to remember.

I've been a long term poster on CBR250.com, Netrider, Fireblades.org and Bikeme.tv. I pretty much stopped posting on Nerdrider due to the vast amount of shitty information that was being passed down by riders who didn't have a clue. Unfortunately, try as I might, they over ran the place.

Fair enough i might do that but considering i've been riding a 250 for quite some time now, both a 600 and 1000 is going to seem like a whole new world to me. So while the 1000 might in your opinion be that much better than a 600, it wouldn't feel that much better to me since i've been riding a 250. If you know what i mean, kind of hard to explain.

You'd be very surprised. Ride em both then come back and tell me you still subscribe to this theory.

[Cowboy1600]

Disagree with my disagreement?!?!

Collected and in control?

I was thinking more "to the limits of adhesion". Safe to do on a track cause you are on a predictable surface and going over the same road lap after lap, not so safe on the open road with varying conditions and roads you only see once a day.

The 10kg difference is important because of where it is. 600s are noticeably sharper but 1000s are noticeably more stable.

[PM-R33]

You'd be very surprised. Ride em both then come back and tell me you still subscribe to this theory.

Fair enough, however not every one wants the quickest bike with the best low down power to accelerate the quickest. My 250cc has no problem keeping up with traffic and off the lights is just as quick as any normal 4cyl. I want a 600 because i want something that doesn't struggle at 100km/h, can overtake safely since it has enough power (overtaking on my 250 just doesnt happen), is more stable than the 250 and has more poke to have a bit of fun in. You have 15 years experience on bikes you said, therefore a 1000 is probably great for your experience. For my low experience in comparison, a 600 will be just fine to keep my happy and excited. Hell if I want a 1000 one day I might upgrade to one, but for now the 600 will do. Also by your motorbike theory you should be driving a 6L SS commodore and not a Skyline

[Birds]

I know Hyosungs are great price was but as a bike I couldn't never really see myself getting around to it, but this is why I love forums and other peoples opinion, maybe I should start giving Hyosungs another chance, I've never rode one so my post was probably out of line and probably should shut up until I actually give it a fair go

All good mate, there are quite a few of them getting around but there's a good reason for it haha. Do heed my warning though, all over the internet are complaints about things breaking on them (side indicators, chain snaps etc.). As I said, every year they've been getting better so the later models are the ones to go for. Not that fast...I managed to keep up with my friends one on a 250cc Virago.

[JEPPE]

Of course, but you need to make sure that those opinions are well informed. Mine come from 15 years or riding experience.

You name it, I've seen it. I've seen people run the "a 600 will be perfect" line only to run the "want more, I'm upgrading" 6 months down the track more times than I care to remember.

15 Year of riding experience. Sorry Cowboy, I don't know you but anyone who thinks a heavier bike is better at handling after engineers have been trying to lighten all types of vehicles since creation years can't have much knowledge from all that experience.

600's aren't what is perfect, there are a thousand different factors you have to consider when finding the right bike. Everyone know's in cars as well that power does not make you quick and it doesn't make you comfortable or safe.

People don't always upgrade for the right reasons. There would be no need to upgrade if everyone was on 250's, they still pwn cars and are incredibly quick in corners but when a bigger bike comes passed and kicks your arse suddenly a lot of people need more power. Most people I know actually down grade after they realise they can ride better more easily, kind of like comparing a WRX handling to a V8.

Are you coming to the cruise tomorrow? It would be better to discuss this in person probably, forums are so-so for communication.

[ChakGTR]

Look at the stats...They account for like only 5% of road users but account for 30% of road deaths... Thats what they told me when i did my bike license... I loveeeeeeee my bikes n hav a dirtbike n had a GSXR 600 04 model for a year, sooo much fun but nearly died half dozen times from other stupid drivers.... So i sold it.. I guess it all comes down to calculated risks in life and to me as much as i love bikes it's probs just too dangerous to ride on the road.. Sure we take risks, driving etc everyday but we can minimze the risks we take aswell.... Im a nurse and have worked in a neuro ward for 6 months and about 75% all pt's there where from bike accidents..... So the amount of diasbled effected ppl from bikes would be substantial aswell....In my opinion as awesome as they are and the rush u get it's just not worth it.....Think about your family too..lol My mum actually cried when she saw me pull up on my bike for the first time... If u like the feeling of thinking u could die at any second just keep ridin the dirt bike... Cause u probs will end up dead ridin like that on the road.................

[JEPPE]

Mucho respecto!!! Honda VFR400 with a new kit on it

PROS: the single swing arm is mint and colour schemes + new fairings is awesome. V engine is good for torque, 400 is substatial enough to have some fun and also a good resaler as 400 is a class in racing.

CONS: Usually a bike from over 10 years ago, will have lots of k's and their price is generally too high for the k's because of how much rep these bikes have

GT650R Hyosung:

PROS: 650 Vtwin, can remove restrictor and have a bit more fun if you want. Very affordable, look good, sound awesome. Sporty looking but position is a little more upright so is good for a starter bike.

CONS: Not an italian or japanese bike. Can have issues but this was only on very early models.

I had a GT250R Hyosung and it was the best (top speed 181 k's). Most of the Hyosung designers were poached from Honda, Kawa, Yam and Suzuki, easy to notice in some of the design. They are improving every model and if you think about it, Koreans make Hyundai's and they are getting a lot of awards. Bikes don't really get awards but I think this one would if they did.

Megelli

PROS: Sexy looking bike, cheap as well, undertail exhaust is awesome, great colour scheme. Come in a supermotard and a naked version. http://www.megelli.com/index.shtml

CONS: Only 125 cc for now

[JamesK]

Mucho respecto!!! Honda VFR400 with a new kit on it

PROS: the single swing arm is mint and colour schemes + new fairings is awesome. V engine is good for torque, 400 is substatial enough to have some fun and also a good resaler as 400 is a class in racing.

CONS: Usually a bike from over 10 years ago, will have lots of k's and their price is generally too high for the k's because of how much rep these bikes have

GT650R Hyosung:

PROS: 650 Vtwin, can remove restrictor and have a bit more fun if you want. Very affordable, look good, sound awesome. Sporty looking but position is a little more upright so is good for a starter bike.

CONS: Not an italian or japanese bike. Can have issues but this was only on very early models.

I had a GT250R Hyosung and it was the best (top speed 181 k's). Most of the Hyosung designers were poached from Honda, Kawa, Yam and Suzuki, easy to notice in some of the design. They are improving every model and if you think about it, Koreans make Hyundai's and they are getting a lot of awards. Bikes don't really get awards but I think this one would if they did.

Megelli

PROS: Sexy looking bike, cheap as well, undertail exhaust is awesome, great colour scheme. Come in a supermotard and a naked version. http://www.megelli.com/index.shtml

CONS: Only 125 cc for now

Hahah jeeze Charli, you can piratically have your own review forum here! but I appreicate the input all this will be valuable when I'm financially able to get the money of of my pocket and hand it over to some guy to buy my first bike

[Rowdyr32]

But come on... it's a Ducati? lol

There for wogs going for a coffea in Lygon st or cafe's in StKilda.

In my opinion as awesome as they are and the rush u get it's just not worth it.....Think about your family too..lol My mum actually cried when she saw me pull up on my bike for the first time... If u like the feeling of thinking u could die at any second just keep ridin the dirt bike... Cause u probs will end up dead ridin like that on the road.................

I've been riding the stupid many times on the road. Expecially after a couple beers. Still Legal though. It loosens you up a bit. Prob safer riding that way. 130kmh mono's down the freeway FUN. Your more likely to plow into a tree in the bush at 80kmh than crash on the road. Tree's don't move. I'd say its safer on the road. I almost stacked at over 100 in a tee shirt one street from my folks. Odd feeling all I coulfd think about was how my old lady would react seeing me lumped in a gutter. Things go realy slow mentally when shits about to happen.

If you think about the outcome of everything you may as well wrap yourself up in a blanket and stay at home. People who dismiss bikes are usually the one who never do anything out of there comfort zone or finish doing something and end with best feeling adrenalin shakes afterwards.

Don't buy a 250 or resticted 600. Just go the better bike straight out of the box or if your worried wait a year and buy the real thing. 250's are a waste of time and money in my opinion.

[Cowboy1600]

Why do I feel like banging my head against a wall?

[PM-R33]

Don't buy a 250 or resticted 600. Just go the better bike straight out of the box or if your worried wait a year and buy the real thing. 250's are a waste of time and money in my opinion.

Dude, so your saying some one that has never riden a road bike should just jump on a big bike straight away? That's like telling a P plater here's a 600HP skyline. I had an older model GSXR600 offered to me cheap for my first bike and ended up not getting it. I can tell you right now if i had purchased that bike as my first bike i would have crashed it, no doubt.

Edited April 15, 2010 by PM-R33