R33 Gtr Vs R34 Gt-t

[Briggs]

hey guys, basically i'm looking at buying a skyline for about $30k, and by that i mean if i sold my soul i could just do it. have seen a few nice r33 gtr's for around this price and lower and also a few modified r34's. my question is which one to go with. the ones i'm looking at all have around 200-300awkw, and a few suspension mods. i gather that in standard form the r33 will way out perform the r34, but do the mods negate this? i'm not really concened with looks (they both look awesome), mainly after performance. figure you guys are the experts, any thoughts?

cheers,

Briggs

ps. if anyone is wanting to get rid of one in the general vic area let me know

Edited April 22, 2010 by Briggs

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

has been posted countless times.. also they are totally different in performance..

also if you are only just goona be able to get one.. don't bother till you have money for maintenance, insurance, etc.. and why does your profile say you've got a r33 gtr already?

[Briggs]

had a 33 lined up but a few problems came up. and i have allowed for $1500 for insurance, $1500 for stamp duty, etc, etc. could someone just put a link up to a relevant thread, and when i searched i found that the threads i could find referred to unmodified cars. i want an unmodified comparison, cheers

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

stock for stock GTR wins hands down.. without a doubt..

can pick up an unmodified GTT for 20k or so.. can get a stock 33GTR for 22-30k around abouts.. i personally would be looking carefully at ones under 25k..

if you are after modified cars.. depends what mods and cannot be compared.. test drive some and see what you prefer

[(OO)SKYLINE(OO)]

They are 2 totally different cars.

2.6lt Twin turbo VS 2.5lt Single turbo.

4WD VS RWD.

All depends what you want / what you prefer...

[N1GTR]

GTR wins.

End thread.

[Briggs]

i noticed i made an error in my first post (way to join the forum huh), i am after a modified car. i guess my main concerns are these;

1) can the r34 engine handle 300ish kw atw without major internal work?

2) does the r34 handle as well as the r33 if both have the same suspension, etc. (as in does the chassis make that big a difference?)

3) is it too much power for a rear wheel drive car on the road?

4) before major work (forged pistons, conrods, etc), how much pressure can each engine run, as in is 20psi way too much?

at the end of the day, both caqrs would be an absolute blast but as much as i want a high performing car, i dont want to be paying through the nose if i need to replace a blown motor. and yes it must be that powerful, the car needs to be able to give a similar thrill to the bike or i just find them uninspiring, figure if i'm going to spend 30k that i should love it right.

[Harey]

i noticed i made an error in my first post (way to join the forum huh), i am after a modified car. i guess my main concerns are these;

1) can the r34 engine handle 300ish kw atw without major internal work?

YES

2) does the r34 handle as well as the r33 if both have the same suspension, etc. (as in does the chassis make that big a difference?)

NO the GTR will go around a corner faster but mostly due to it being awd not the chassis as far as I know

3) is it too much power for a rear wheel drive car on the road?

I think thats a personal thing, but obviously the GTR will be more streetable at that power level

4) before major work (forged pistons, conrods, etc), how much pressure can each engine run, as in is 20psi way too much?

Engine life is not based solely on boost pressure. 20psi from a 400hp turbo is a lot different to 20psi from an 800hp turbo.

at the end of the day, both caqrs would be an absolute blast but as much as i want a high performing car, i dont want to be paying through the nose if i need to replace a blown motor. and yes it must be that powerful, the car needs to be able to give a similar thrill to the bike or i just find them uninspiring, figure if i'm going to spend 30k that i should love it right.

Answers above. You might think I dont like GTTs but I have one and love it. But I also know how it compares to my mates GTR. Quite different cars.

From your questions regarding handling, streetability and minimum mods the GTR is your answer. I really like the R34 shape plus the R33 GTR is a good 8-12k more expensive. Hope that helps.

Edited April 22, 2010 by Harey

[Briggs]

just thought i'd say thanks guys. am putting a deposit down tomorrow on an r33 gtr with 300+ kw at the treads and about 10k of suspension and brake work, should be fun, see you out there soon.

[N1GTR]

Good work. Do you mind saying what is the 10k brakes and suspension? Buying one with this stuff already done is a huge time and money saver

Now please read all the "i just bought a GTR, what should i do" threads for basic ways to prolong healthy engine life and preventative maintenance etc.

Here's the very basics;

Dont run the stock ceramic turbos at more than 1bar (regardless of what your car has, im typing this for future people who are searching)

Filling the oil to the bottom of the hump on the dipstick is smart before any trackdays/thrashing

Dont do a high rpm launch (the sort you go "whoooooa" on youtube at) with the steering pointing anywhere but straight

If the stock gearbox gets crunchy, fill it with Redline Shockproof (or smurfs blood as everyone calls it)

Always warm it up before a flogging (this should be common sense). Go on OIL TEMP not water temp.

Enjoy

[Count Grantleyish]

GTR wins.

End thread.

+ 11ty billion

[r33cruiser]

The r34gtt is a nicer car to be in. The interior is nicer. Even if it is a touch on the conservative side.

BUT. 33r for looks, and its capability.

Edited April 25, 2010 by r33cruiser

[fib]

When it rains AWD is great for peace of mind

[Duncan1]

When it rains AWD is great for peace of mind

Exactly....... you spin off at 120kph instead of the 2wds miserable 90kph

[Briggs]

my view was that the r34 looks and felt way better, but at the end of the day i'm more of a performance junkie. N1GTR, i have no idea exactly what the suspension and brake work that's been done is but will get the receipts for the work when i pick it up and will let you know. and the engine is nowhere near stock, the guy was building it up with about 500 kw atw in mind. the engine is strong and so is the gearbox (does cryogenic freezing and cutting make a big difference?), apparently at this stage all i'd need to push out more power is initially upgrade the feul pump/rails/whatever (again not stock but not able to take more than 400kw), and then look at engine internals, the rest of the car is ready.

when i've got everything, i'd really appreciate it if i could put up a list of mods and have you guys tell me what would be safe boost, driving style and maintenance things that i should keep in mind,

cheers,

Briggs

on a side note to coming off at 120, had a VERY close call today on the r1 coming out of a 3rd gear corner somewhere near 200kph, small moist bit of ground and the rear spun up a little more than i would have liked, managed to get it back through a nice mix of arse and luck...

Edited April 26, 2010 by Briggs

[N1GTR]

Sounds good, put up a complete list whenever, or if the thread is old by then PM any of us for help