Type R (rocket Or Bucket?)

[oh-so-swift]

Hi all, I have heard so much about Integra type R DC2, DC5 and EP3. Recently i had a ride in one and couldnt find out what so great about it? The DC5 does look very nice and is an all round nice car but i didnt find it particually ferocious as people make it out to be. Sounds great, looks very nice but the performance was pretty average.

Anyone here owned a type r before?

(this is post is not meant to disgrace honda its just a discussion about the hype around type r performance)

[StealthX]

Bucket in my vote.

Hondas are just glorified corollas, yes some of them can be fast, but they are still a Honda.

They all SEVERELY lack in torque, so yeah, I don't see the fuss in them at all.

Before anyone says anything, I've driven an integra vti-r before (it was a loan car), and i couldnt WAIT to get back into my (then) non-turbo x-trail.

[[200]]

Bucket in my vote.

Hondas are just glorified corollas, yes some of them can be fast, but they are still a Honda.

They all SEVERELY lack in torque, so yeah, I don't see the fuss in them at all.

Before anyone says anything, I've driven an integra vti-r before (it was a loan car), and i couldnt WAIT to get back into my (then) non-turbo x-trail.

But you haven't driven any of the cars he's mentioned in the post.

Right...

[StealthX]

But you haven't driven any of the cars he's mentioned in the post.

True, but how different can they HONESTLY be?

They are all sub 2.0L engines, with fully hektik veee tecc yooo, I still can't see what all the fuss is about.

A well done pulsar SSS with be on par if not beat them, with less than half the fuss/talk-up/unnecessary noise.

Hat's off to Honda for making reliable engines though, and they have bullshit high rev limits from factory too!

[[200]]

About 30 more hp different.

Why do you post such irrelevant crap that doesn't even answer his question?

[StealthX]

irrelevant crap that doesn't even answer his question?

you just summed up your last two posts extremely well.

I cant see one phrase in any of my comments (bar this one) that doesn't answer his question. How did i not answer his question? I gave my opinion and stated that i have driven one before, that wasn't too off topic was it?

I apologise if it was.

[scotty014]

About 30 more hp different.

Why do you post such irrelevant crap that doesn't even answer his question?

why did you bother posting crap in here for? at least he has mentioned a honda, all you do is insult people and make yourself feel good.

back on topic, yes ive been in a DC5 but wasnt driving, i do like the sound and how high it revs, it just seems to never end. but i suppose for the size of the engine and that its N/A it does make some good power but from being in my car than jumping in this, it didnt feel like anything special.

[[200]]

Read his question - he specifically asks for the Integra type R DC2, DC5 and EP3

NOT the vti-r models!

You have not answered his question at all have you. You gave your opinion on a different model. See what I am getting at here?

scotty012 - sorry you feel that way. I don't try and make myself feel good at all. It all comes down to basic comprehension and understanding of the English language really. Seems like a lot of people struggle with that - bit of a shame really.

Anyway, to the OP. You should join up on the OzHonda forums where you can actually speak to other Honda owners.

Edited April 22, 2010 by [200]

[The Bogan]

Work well at high rpm, I think they look OK, better than a lot of hot hatches.

[StealthX]

You have not answered his question at all have you. You gave your opinion on a different model. See what I am getting at here?

90% of Hondas are the same, that's why i posted. Civics, Preludes, Integras etc...

All front wheel drive, sub 2.0L VTEC 4clys that weigh approx 1000kgs.

Bit of pot calling the kettle black dont ya think? you havn't even mentioned ANYTHING about a car, let alone a different model Honda.

[[200]]

90% of Hondas are the same, that's why i posted. Civics, Preludes, Integras etc...

All front wheel drive, sub 2.0L VTEC 4clys that weigh approx 1000kgs.

Bit of pot calling the kettle black dont ya think? you havn't even mentioned ANYTHING about a car, let alone a different model Honda.

Because I am not going to give an opinion on something that I haven't driven.

Unlike you.

[oh-so-swift]

thanks for the repsonse guys, The VTiR and DC2R are different though, there is a slightly different set up. Im wondering if anyone has any feed back on an EP3?

I only ask because im a huge fan of hatches and for some reason i can never see what the fuss is about type r. I want to like them but i just cant find a reason for it.

Maybe there is something im missing?

Any feed back on the EP3 would be good though,

[StealthX]

Because I am not going to give an opinion on something that I haven't driven.

Unlike you.

so why did you post at all? I wouldve thought that was a no brainer ahaha

Clearly you're just being all tough and shit, and you

must enjoy laying shit on people to make yourself feel good. Fvuck off to the wasteland for that.

Anyway...

The problem I have with these type of Hondas is they are only small engines with some decent redlines and tricky cam

profiles. Any decent engine (ca, sr, fj, qr, 4age, etc) can have similar power.

An SR20VE with some good breathing mods would shit on a Honda, it's just that they give it a tricky name and have a big fan base.

[oh-so-swift]

the point of the post is that im trying to find impartial opinons on type R's. Myabe there might be people on this site who have owned them before. I didnt post on ozhonda because they will all just tell me how wonderful they are. E.g a friend of mine had a dc5r and it was the best thing until he bought a evo and it all of a sudden became "shit"

Maybe decide to buy one, not sure yet, would be a dc2r,dc5r or EP3

And you dont have to have to leave rude comments! If you dont understand the thread then dont post.

[[200]]

so why did you post at all? I wouldve thought that was a no brainer ahaha

Clearly you're just being all tough and shit, and you

must enjoy laying shit on people to make yourself feel good. Fvuck off to the wasteland for that.

Anyway...

The problem I have with these type of Hondas is they are only small engines with some decent redlines and tricky cam

profiles. Any decent engine (ca, sr, fj, qr, 4age, etc) can have similar power.

An SR20VE with some good breathing mods would shit on a Honda, it's just that they give it a tricky name and have a big fan base.

Small engines! So the other engines you've listed are bigger in capacity aren't they !!

Are you drunk or something?

[God_speed]

oh-so-swift - Can't say I've driven an R, but respectable journos (Evo UK) do give them a very good rap. According to them, they handle very neutrally for a front-driver (are very adjustable mid-corner on the throttle) and yes love to rev. 0-100 in 6.8 sec is hardly slow, but it's not blistering either.

Our experience with VTEC Hondas in the family is that they can use a bit of oil when used on cam frequently, but are otherwise quite efficient and reliable engines.

The VTEC in the Prelude is a 2.2 by the way.

[iseekool]

About 30 more hp different.

Why do you post such irrelevant crap that doesn't even answer his question?

Torque is where it's at. (maybe) the Honda can push out 30hp extra - but at such high RPMs - which doesn't make it all too great in comparision to a competeing car with the same engine capacity.

Majority of stock engines out there designed to have max power earlier in the range as opposed to "peaky" power like Hondas (and corolla 1.8 sportivo).

Essentially the Honda will feel quite weak untill you really wind it up (this is where it will shine), therefore other cars will generally feel more stronger on the low to mid range.

Personally I'd rather have a car with better low to mid range power - as it will always be "on tap" as opposed to something which you will need to rev quite hard to keep up with other makes of the same engine capacity.

[oh-so-swift]

thanks for that info!

apparently the dc5r is the fastest (quater mile) N/A 4cyl.

[StealthX]

Small engines! So the other engines you've listed are bigger in capacity aren't they !!

Are you drunk or something?

mate, can you read? I said any of those engines can have similar power, using those engines to prove my point. I

never said those other engines are better/worse. Seriously man I don't know what lt your problem is. Why the gosh darn are you even posting in this thread???? You are not welcome here, how exactly are you contribting to this topic?

Moving on...

@ oh-so-swift:

I guess these cars are good for what they are, being small displacement small cars, but they are hyped up to be soooo much more that. Sometimes the hype from the Honda fanboys makes them seem like skyline beaters, when they are no where near... That's the problem I think, theres nothing wrong with them, just they are hyped up to be way

more then they are.

[StealthX]

Small engines! So the other engines you've listed are bigger in capacity aren't they !!

Are you drunk or something?

mate, can you read? I said any of those engines can have similar power, using those engines to prove my point. I

never said those other engines are better/worse. Seriously man I don't know what lt your problem is. Why the gosh darn are you even posting in this thread???? You are not welcome here, how exactly are you contribting to this topic?

Moving on...

@ oh-so-swift:

I guess these cars are good for what they are, being small displacement small cars, but they are hyped up to be soooo much more that. Sometimes the hype from the Honda fanboys makes them seem like skyline beaters, when they are no where near... That's the problem I think, theres nothing wrong with them, just they are hyped up to be way

more then they are.