Type R (rocket Or Bucket?)

[scotty014]

let me post up a vid so you can see that they are pretty quick:

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Then why did you care so much to join this thread, when you had no constructive input at all??

Did my original comment offend you THAT much? (that's what leads us to think you're an angry person)

To find out your reasoning why you would call a car you have never driven or owned a bucket. But the more info I got from you the more apparent that reason became.

You would be kidding yourself if a comment posted on a forum such as this would offend me in anyway. (no it didn't offend me)

[Charles89]

I really like the look of a DC5 in blue

If I was to get it, it would be purely for the looks, because for performance, 18-20k can get you a car that performs better than a DC5R

[oh-so-swift]

let me post up a vid so you can see that they are pretty quick:

yeh they are pretty quick when tuned. Prolli would lean more towards the DC5/EP3 though (if i were going to go JDM again) or (golf gti, vw r32 for euro)

[StealthX]

Mate you dont need to own/drive a car to form an opinion on it. I don't like hondas engineering at all, that's what I was getting at. I know enough about them to balance my own opinion. I bet 99% of the people that enjoy the thought of an R35GTR have never driven and certainly not driven one, so by using your logic, they aren't justified to have an opinion of such a car either. See where I'm goin with this?

So the next person who drools over a bugatti veyron, are you gonna have the same response?? I Bet not.

[warps]

Haven't bothered to read all the dribble in this thread, nor have I driven one of the specific models you mentioned.

I have an EG Civic Sir, which is the jap spec model before the Type R Civic came out. 120kW, 1.6 litre, blah blah. This is a gravel rally car with rally suspension, LSD and CR box (though the engine is stock apart from a chip and intake)

So far I've only driven the car once at a track day at Lakeside a couple of weeks ago. I was pleasantly supprised how much go this thing has for a piddly 1600 NA. I guess I wasn't expecting much in the way of performance, but for what it is, it put a smile on my dial. What did surprise me was not only the mid corner grip, but the neutral balance of the car. I've heard it said before that the Hondas are the most RWD FWD's to punt hard, and I'd tend to agree. No torque steer, no on throttle understeer, no lift off oversteer (just a nice tightening of the line if you need it).

My times for the day were nowhere near the fast turbo Skylines / silvias etc. Those cars were modded, with good drivers behind the wheel. The stock 300XZ TT was about 2 sec a lap slower than me. On the straight, he couldn't pull away, but around the back of the straight I cleaned him up.

In fact, the only time anyone passed me on the straight was when I slowed down and let them through. Not because they couldn't catch me, bt because the speed differential wasn't enough to make it an easy pass for them (no sheep stations here)

In summing up - I'm very impressed with the overall balance and fun of the car. In outright performance, my stocko WRX would kill the Civic, but then a NA 1.6 is expected to be slower than a 2L turbo. Power deliver of the Vtec is what I'd call linear all the way to 8800RPM, not peaky as some here have described them.

Good, fun cleap shopping trolley, but if you like big hp, ripping skids and drifting, they wont appeal to you in the least.

Edited April 22, 2010 by warps

[All4fun]

I have spent a little time in an EP3 Trype R, the new FN platform and a DC2. they are amazing little cars. When you consider the power/L they generate its quite impressive. They have well sorted chasis and can be driven much faster than the sum of there parts.

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Mate you dont need to own/drive a car to form an opinion on it. I don't like hondas engineering at all, that's what I was getting at. I know enough about them to balance my own opinion. I bet 99% of the people that enjoy the thought of an R35GTR have never driven and certainly not driven one, so by using your logic, they aren't justified to have an opinion of such a car either. See where I'm goin with this?

So the next person who drools over a bugatti veyron, are you gonna have the same response?? I Bet not.

Having an opinion based on nothing. If you haven't driven or owned the car in question then your opinion is null and void. Like you said, you have driven a vti-r model and thought it was crap. If the thread was about the vti-r then fair enough but it isn't. I've owned a Civic and I didn't have any problems with it, the fuel economy was great but the car lacked power - this didn't make it rubbish at all and does not mean all other cars in the Honda range are bad - I say that because I haven't driven any other cars in their range.

I guess you would also think the NSX that Senna helped design is a heap of crap too, just because its a Honda and you don't like Honda's engineering. I bet you would be one of the first people to jump on the bandwagon to bag out a Honda at the first opportunity you could get. After all you were the first to reply here.

If I was looking at buying a R35 I would want to speak with owners and people that have driven them. Not some kid that have a poster of it in their bedroom. To me, getting an opinion from someone that owns the car is a shit load more valuable and beneficial than someone that doesn't. Sure, anyone else can have an opinion but as far as I am concerned it's not worth shit.

I guess you don't remember the old topic sentence, supporting detail and references from high school.

Thanks for another laugh, please keep them coming!

[DKS51R]

Hey all.

1st post for a long while, but I thought i'd wade into this.

Coming from Turbo Subarus and other imports, I recently bought a personal import Jap Spec Type R (1996 model). below 5k rpm the car was quite sedate but after that up until 9k it was a wild mofo. had a few runs against a brand new STI and a Aurion TRD and they were not happy campers.

120fwkw (dyno'd) and it only weighed 1050kg so it was quite quick.

In saying that though, got bored of it really quickly as any more power and i would have been spending major $

Saw the light and bought (buying) a S2 R33. heavier, but more potential i think.

[gfunkk]

hondas

-slow

-fwd

-sound like a fart

[Marlin]

I'm with Warps, I couldn't read all the immature crap in this thread, so I just winged it with my EXPERIENCES;

First thing to understand with Type R Hondas is they're not MEANT to be quarter mile warriors.

These cars are all about winding roads, second and third gear, hard on the brakes, heel/toe back to second, tip it in hard, nail it for the exit, HUGE rpms.

The DC2 is one of the BEST cars I've ever driven, bar none. No, it won't impress you in a straight line if you're used to Skyline quick, but if you just love things that rev sweetly into the strotosphere, they're fantastic!

I've only driven an EP3 in a built up area, but I reckon they too would be well wicked in the right circumstances.

And that's it in a nutshell, these cars are great, in the right circumstances. Just don't expect your face to be rearranged in a straight line.

Edited April 23, 2010 by Marlin

[oh-so-swift]

they are pretty expensive though, as mentioned earlier, for the price range of a DC5R and EP3 you can get some really nice turbo cars .i.e skyline, 200sx, wrx, evo, Then again i guess it all comes down to personal taste. So far those who have had a type R have really enjoyed it i take it.

[iseekool]

I'm with Warps, I couldn't read all the immature crap in this thread, so I just winged it with my EXPERIENCES;

First thing to understand with Type R Hondas is they're not MEANT to be quarter mile warriors.

These cars are all about winding roads, second and third gear, hard on the brakes, heel/toe back to second, tip it in hard, nail it for the exit, HUGE rpms.

The DC2 is one of the BEST cars I've ever driven, bar none. No, it won't impress you in a straight line if you're used to Skyline quick, but if you just love things that rev sweetly into the strotosphere, they're fantastic!

I've only driven an EP3 in a built up area, but I reckon they too would be well wicked in the right circumstances.

And that's it in a nutshell, these cars are great, in the right circumstances. Just don't expect your face to be rearranged in a straight line.

^ Summed up very nicely. Keep the Hondas on the roll/boil - they are great - twisties/country roads.

But a quick car day-do-day (stop-go traffic) probably not - until you really rev them - usually you will be already passing the speed limit by this time

I forgot to mention I've driven a friend's DC2 Type R - Low to mid RPMs it feels pretty strangled but once you reach the "vtec kicks in yo" the tach just flies to the limiter - this is what I was refering to as peaky - It's all about keeping the revs up and keeping it there.

[The Bogan]

A old Honda was going pretty quick the other day at Eastern Creek,

40 414 Mark Robinson SSCC Nissan Skyline 1995 SVD 19 12 1:58.7844 0:17.8388

41 154 Michael Muir MWSCC Honda Civic 1900 3B 29 25 1:59.1132 0:18.1676

Mine has lots of mods, 260 killer wasps at the treads and a slow driver, the other is a N/A

[Fat_Tony]

hondas

-slow

-fwd

-sound like a fart

+1000000000

FWD sucks, ever seen FWD F1 car?

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+1000000000

FWD sucks, ever seen FWD F1 car?

Ever seen a Nissan F1 car?

[MRSAMO]

I own both a Honda and Nissan,

Honda

+ feels a lot lighter

+ revs quicker and feels more responsive

+ you glide through the corners

+ cheaper to run

- harder and more expensive to add more power

- sometimes need a lot of work to gather up speed if you're not within its power band

Nissan

+ feels a lot more solid, has more space

+ AWD, this thing would try and eat its way through the corners

+ turbos, easier to add more power

- turbo lag

- more expensive to run

- heats up quickly

- handling usually suffers at the expense of power

They are both equally fun in their own ways, I couldn't decide which one is better since speed isn't a factor for me, but for daily driving it would be a Honda, to pimp around it would be the Nissan :-)

[scathing]

Hi all, I have heard so much about Integra type R DC2, DC5 and EP3. Recently i had a ride in one and couldnt find out what so great about it?

Imagine if you came out of an Excel or an entry model econobox. Any of those Type-Rs would seem fantastic in comparison.

It's like that McAngus burger. Compared to the other turds that McDonalds sells it tastes a million bucks, but if you look at it objectively its still a greasy mishmash of off-cut meat.

I've driven the DC2R and DC5R pretty hard, and I came away underwhelmed. Mind you, I'd come out of S15s, Z33s, GTS-ts, GT-Rs, etc when I hopped into the cars and so I saw the Type-Rs from the other side of the automotive slope.

The DC5 does look very nice and is an all round nice car but i didnt find it particually ferocious as people make it out to be. Sounds great, looks very nice but the performance was pretty average.

That's not entirely fair. The DC5R is pretty weaksauce, and the Australian delivered one isn't the full fat version either. The EP3 (and FN2R Honda Australia is selling now) isn't much better - it's made by the Poms, not the Japanese. The Aussie delivered DC5R, EP3R and FN2R are about as close to real Type-Rs as this thing:

If you want a proper Type-R, it means getting yourself into a DC2R, EK9R, JDM DC5R or FD2R.

The DC2R is a pretty good car, I just don't think its particularly fantastic. It's quick but it's not amazingly quick. The chassis is nice but I didn't come out of it having my perceptions completely rearranged (unlike when I first drove a MX-5 or Elise). Part of that might be because of the hype around the car - it might be pretty good for its price but when everyone tells you its the best thing since sliced bread you expect more than you're actually getting.

[R34P3R]

hondas

-slow

-fwd

-sound like a fart

hondas

-NSX , s2000

-rwd

-vtec yo!!

my friends got a DC5 and it gets killed by my 34 on straights but it grips well and beats me in the corners. his DC5 was keeping up in the corners with evos and wrxs in the hills and leaving other turbo cars behind, even overtook a few people.

i have driven it and its nice to drive and it feels pretty light compared to my car

[gotRICE?]

+1000000000

FWD sucks, ever seen FWD F1 car?

A GTR wouldnt be all that great without its FWD.

Iv owned an DC2 Type R. Seen this thread a million times before. Its pointless arguing because of people that just dont like hondas. They dont have any reason for it, its just what they think.

Built for different things.