R34 Gtr Vspec 2 Nur Vs R33 Gtst

[Messiah]

Paul, the problem here was the total lack of evidence supporting prior research.

there was no tailoring of the question, requests for clarification of a specific technology, just the same ol "how do i make my cheap car faster than the expensive car".

Now i suggested things for him to look at and consider, physical and performance specs, and suggested that after considering these points he should have most of his answer.

I think we'd then all welcome any more detailed specific questions he had.

So once and for all i'm going to answer all the newbie questions we get regarding this kind of stuff with a rant.

You can make ANY car faster than any other car given sufficient budget, both in time and money. What you lack in personal expertise, with enough cash you can buy someone elses.

Should you pursue this route then all you have demonstrated is an overwhelming drive to waste money, as normally by the end, you could have just purchased the faster car and made it faster still.

Now there is one exception here. Sometimes someone will come up with a particularly novel approach to upgrading performance. Some i've seen include supercharging an RB, rb31's by a personally designed sleaved and open decked setup., a given qtr mile time using stock internals. All of these can come at a tremendous cost, but none the less they can justify it based on the knowledge that is acquired during the task.

So to sum up...

ZW, if you want reliable gtr killing performance, buy a gtr and mod it. If you want a RWD car, want to track it competitively against a gtr, but dont know how to over come a specific problem. The ask about the specific problem. explain realistically and reasonably why your looking to do it this way and we'll be more than happy to help.

/RANT

[Jetwreck]

+ 1 on that paulR32gtr......he was polite and although the question may have been a little naive I don't believe he deserved to be flamed like that......what was wrong with you skipping this thread and then letting it disappear into the abyss if you thought it was that silly.

Onto the topic.....with the right diff gears and some well directed mod's there is no reason why you could not keep up to a standard R34 vspec....for the right price....even beat them depending on ability.

And then again you could always search for someones car that already has everything done to it.

Edited April 23, 2010 by Jetwreck

[Birds]

Ahhh...another Fast And The Furious "15k worth of overnight parts from Japan" / "supercars.net" question. This site isn't going downhill because of our answers, it's because of these questions.

The only suitable answer is "money = win".

You've asked such a broad question with no specific information and therefore no straight forward answer to your question - you might as well have asked if someone we don't know will beat someone else we don't know in a running race, the length of which we don't know.

In any case, if you can't work out for yourself how well a 30k modified GTS-T would go against a NUR then you probably won't know where to start with the modifications process anyway and you therefore haven't done enough reading of these forums before posting the ridiculous question. People need to get flamed for it because then they will learn to research it all for themselves and they will think before asking another question that could better be answered with one's own initiative. Yeah it sounds harsh, but that's probably the best teacher for him. People wanting to go "faster" than someone or something else without knowing how is not a good thing. Cheque book performance FTL.

[Messiah]

i'm going to leave my last post up but i do want to make an apology for not saying what should have been said politely and clearly in the first post.

ZW, you might have a perfectly legit question, and a reasonable reason for asking. i didnt ignore it as i believe you it does deserve answering.

You would do better shaping your question by offering some arguements you are considering, such as why you wouldnt start with a lower spec gtr as a starting point as an example.

As paul mentioned, you can learn a hell of a lot spending big on a car, and that can be worth it. However, you can also learn alot by considering your long term goals and options and exporing them on paper first. this will often making your mechanical learning process less frustrating, cheaper and generally more efficient.

[God_speed]

People wanting to go "faster" than someone or something else without [knowing] how is not a good thing.

So true.

[willL]

33 with 30k in it would blow the doors off most cars on the road obviously, I guess its just a personal opinion at the end of the day but I know Id prefer a stock 34 R over a average looking 33 with 30k put into its motor, handling mods etc.

as messiah said, its started out as a real school holiday type question

[DRD-00F]

so... anyone else here actually driven a NUR and a 33 GTS-t?

A NUR can punch out 300 without opening the engine or changing the turbos, a 33, for reliabilites sake, pretty much needs both. And cause someone will bring it up just to be a dick (Birds), I would suggest an oil cooler at least on the NUR... the injectors will be damn close to maxing too...

You'd be hard pressed finding a situation where the GTS-t beats the nur if they had the same power.

add 30k to it though and thats a different scenario. Really depends where you spend the money.

[God_speed]

How long is a piece of string?

[PIG747]

10+30 (save up 5k more) = TWO06L.

Its for sale for 45k and then you wouldnt have any dramas beating an r34 GTR

[DRD-00F]

haha, for a second there I thought you meant it would only cost 45k to BUILD twoogle...

I was like... lol?

[Ultimategtr]

R33 GTST with 30k Mods - Good luck with the resale value.

GTR - Will hardly depreciate

Period.

[usmair]

You dont need 30K to beat a Standard R34 GTR in a straight line...

My car cost me 10K + around 10K on the motor = 290rwkw

It smashes by brother's standard R34 GTR in a straight line (in a rolling start, having tried him from a standing start)

BUT IN NOW WAY IS MY CAR A GTR!

the GTR is just a completely different animal. Its so tight and composed. My car might be quicker in a straight line but I would instantly swap all that power for the stability and feel of the GTR.

My point is that even you may spend all that cash and have a quick skyline, in my opinion it will still not compare to how a GTR feels to drive.

So yeh... dont worry about spending 30K, you can acheive your goal in half that.

But do some homework before you post dude. Kinda makes you look like a douche when you join a forum and start asking obvious questions.

[dan_the_man]

R33 GTST with 30k Mods - Good luck with the resale value.

GTR - Will hardly depreciate

Period.

don't be silly.

[GTR-N1]

You want a fair and equitable comparison?

They both run equally well if you do what Thelma and Louise did to the '64 T-bird.

Physics:- g minus Cd

[NZM.031]

You dont need 30K to beat a Standard R34 GTR in a straight line...

My car cost me 10K + around 10K on the motor = 290rwkw

It smashes by brother's standard R34 GTR in a straight line (in a rolling start, having tried him from a standing start)

BUT IN NOW WAY IS MY CAR A GTR!

the GTR is just a completely different animal. Its so tight and composed. My car might be quicker in a straight line but I would instantly swap all that power for the stability and feel of the GTR.

My point is that even you may spend all that cash and have a quick skyline, in my opinion it will still not compare to how a GTR feels to drive.

So yeh... dont worry about spending 30K, you can acheive your goal in half that.

But do some homework before you post dude. Kinda makes you look like a douche when you join a forum and start asking obvious questions.

dont be so quick to bag your gtst there bro... in reality, you cannot compare the 2 cars even though they are both skylines. sure one has more power and torque, but it also has more weight and a bigger price tag.. and it can be very much improved on from stock..

for what i plan to spend on my gtst, i could have had a nice r33 gtr with a few bolt ons.. but it would be nowhere near as fun to drive as my 32 will be.. and you only have to worry about resale if you plan to resell it.. i dont.. my 32 will be worth nothing to anyone but me.. so i will just park it up and keep it for aslong as i wish to.

it all depends on driving style.. i much prefer the chuckability and looseness of a gtst.. as ive said 100 times on here before.. i drove bakes's r34 gtr on the putty... and it was great... but in no way was it my gtst.. it felt heavy and lethargic, i couldnt judge the wheelspin and found it sketchy under brakes.. i prefer to use the brakes and throttle like an on off switch, but thats just me and what im used to and what i prefer in a car..

but this thread is pointless and the OP question is ridiculous.. there are thousands of threads of how to improve the performance of an r33 gtst.. and with $30000 to spend, any workshop would be happy to take a 33 and build it up.. they are quite capable of producing good numbers and they have a really good chassis and handle well.... and 10g for an r33 gtst is a bit rich these days, not at all what id consider cheap...

[Birds]

The biggest shit with these threads is that everytime they come about they INEVITABLY result in arguments between the people who actually try to answer the stupid OP question. Arguments about which is better, how, it reduces you all to the OP level.

[ZW33]

Hey guys....extremely sorry if i upset anyone...was unintentional...i'll do a bit of research

Have a good weekend

[GTR-N1]

Hey guys....extremely sorry if i upset anyone...was unintentional...i'll do a bit of research

Have a good weekend

Nah, no need to apologise.

Good bunch of lads here really.

What should we expect on a Friday Arvo before farkin-double-demerits-long-weekend LOL?

[Super Drager]

My dads old R33 use to destroy pretty much anything from a rolling start. Man i loved that car

[Kujotk]

what kind of noob buys a 33gtst for 10k then spends 30k on it

10k + 30k = 40k = R34 GTR, just save and buy the real thing

you guys are all missing the point, I posted on here last year I bought a car, it wasn't a cheap car. You know what allot of these smart assed forum members said? I Should have bought a gtst and put the rest of the $70k into making it faster...

willL, logic like yours in this forum is far between and not seen very often, why bother trying to change peoples opinion, they are mostly set in their ways and will not listen to a well thought out idea.