Petrol Prices

[RS4StagMan]

i just paid 144.9 for vortex 95 - tasmania sucks

some of the best roads in oz but some of the dearest fuel

OUCH, OUCH, OUCH.

My Stag only runs on LPG, 55c/litre day in day out in VIC with no price discounting cycle, 102+RON.

A tank gets me about 400 km @ $33 a tank. Now time to wind up the boost and get that hi-flow!

[66yostagea]

Today on Mt Tamborine Unleaded was $1.399, 95 was $1.499, that is the rip off for the tourists.K'far, K'far, K'far.

[Mathias1986]

1,50€ for 1L 98octane fuel here in finland at the moment, not cheap to fill the stagea fuel tank.....

[tchard]

i know everyone will get up me saying that its bad for the motor etc etc but i've been running it for probably 2 months now and i haven't really noticed a difference in performance and 80% of the time i'm just cruising about

i guess 10 years ago 95 ron was still pretty average and nowadays the fuel quality is a bit higher, coupled to the fact that the engine management is pretty advanced for a 10 y/o car and is detecting the higher knock and dealing with it - oh and tassie is colder than back home in qld so less change of pinging too

petrol quality is alot better now and more consistent...

My 2005 Grand Cherokee would run a charm on 95RON, thank god cos it would cost about $120 to fill a tank on Premium.

Best petrol I run is Shell V Racing (hard to find now ) which was almost $1.80/litre...

But in my eyes, as long as you cycle a good tank of 98RON and/or Octane booster... 95ron should be fine!

[tchard]

OUCH, OUCH, OUCH.

My Stag only runs on LPG, 55c/litre day in day out in VIC with no price discounting cycle, 102+RON.

A tank gets me about 400 km @ $33 a tank. Now time to wind up the boost and get that hi-flow!

how does the gas go? worth the conversion?

the thought of gas conversion scares me for some reason...

however the new liquid gas injection systems seem too good to be true!

[iamhe77]

how does the gas go? worth the conversion?

the thought of gas conversion scares me for some reason...

however the new liquid gas injection systems seem too good to be true!

The Liquid injection systems are not a standalone unit.... yet.... and must remain dual fuel setup (due to start up).

Once (if) they get that sorted, I will be heading down that path, but I hate dual fuel and I don't trust vapour injection

[tchard]

The Liquid injection systems are not a standalone unit.... yet.... and must remain dual fuel setup (due to start up).

Once (if) they get that sorted, I will be heading down that path, but I hate dual fuel and I don't trust vapour injection

As far as I knew some are standalone...

I'm with you on Dual Fuel, hence why I'm interested in these Liquid Inj.

http://www.lpgli.com/features.html

[NItRo34]

I'm simply pissed off the fact that 2 sheds next to each other have such vast price differences.

BP: 146c p/l. 200m away Caltex: 123c p/l

crazy as. wonder wut the watch dogs r upto?

[NItRo34]

I was referring to 98octane fuel though.

I'm simply pissed off the fact that 2 sheds next to each other have such vast price differences.

BP: 146c p/l. 200m away Caltex: 123c p/l

crazy as. wonder wut the watch dogs r upto?

[iamhe77]

As far as I knew some are standalone...

I'm with you on Dual Fuel, hence why I'm interested in these Liquid Inj.

http://www.lpgli.com/features.html

Liquid injection would be awesome, but I am afraid it is available as dual-fuel only at this point (just got off the phone with Australian LPG Warehouse)

They have done mono-fuel LiLPG setups, but have had nothing but issues with startup where the LPG has vapourised in the lines (Winter has separate issues to Summer also).

When they get their heads together and figure out a method of having the car start safely on LiLPG and that complies with the relevant ADR's, then I think it will be a more appealing option.

He did say that the dual-fuel option was no problem as he has a ute using this setup that pushes 420rwkw with no issues at all.

Edited May 13, 2010 by iamhe77

[boostedaxis]

Wait for E85 to come out it is RON 106 aprox. So it is the same as race fuel and has a cooling effect on the motor. It will also be cheap as it is an ethanol blend. The supra people in the US are going nuts over it and making good safe power on 30psi.

I worked on oil refineries for years and you would be surprised how local refinery supply issues effect local market. Although they blame it on global issues. Some of the refineries in sydney are over 50 years old. They brake down and also require maintenance shut downs. In the future people are predicting that australia will cease refining oil. It is cheaper to refine in other countries and import the products. A couple of years ago Caltex's main cracker was down and there second was running at 40%. At the same time Shell at clyde had a fire and their Cracker split in the side about three months before a planed shut down. The price of fuel was crazy high.

It was just because of local supply issues. They were blaming it on global issues.

E85 hurry up thats all i can say.

[iamhe77]

lol... thanks for the heads up. Fortunately I have already driven Scotty's M35 which runs on E85 with around 250awkw.

Only issue with E85 is the lack of economy (and supply at current).

We have had it available in Vic for some time now, but only at a couple of servos and I am not a fan of driving 40-50mins to fill up a tank that only gets me ~350kms.

Will be interesting to see how many servos have E85 once the Commonwhore is released.

That Caltex E85 sounds interesting and should be easy to come by if all goes as they claim, but I am concerned about the variance in Ethanol/ULP ratio from batch to batch (anywhere from 70/30 to 85/15 is their stated tolerance )

Edited May 14, 2010 by iamhe77

[66yostagea]

Re. Dual Fuel.

99% of you will probably not know about this. Back before diesel tractors were the go; petrol tractors were started up on petrol, then switched to power kerosene when warm. During WW2 petrol was severely rationed, but PK was readily available to farmers for tractor use ONLY. It was unlawful to use in cars.

My uncle had a Ford B ute that he ran on this dual fuel system in 1947, unlawfully! Started on petrol, drove a mile or so then turned the tap over to PK.

[boostedaxis]

lol... thanks for the heads up. Fortunately I have already driven Scotty's M35 which runs on E85 with around 250awkw.

Only issue with E85 is the lack of economy (and supply at current).

We have had it available in Vic for some time now, but only at a couple of servos and I am not a fan of driving 40-50mins to fill up a tank that only gets me ~350kms.

Will be interesting to see how many servos have E85 once the Commonwhore is released.

That Caltex E85 sounds interesting and should be easy to come by if all goes as they claim, but I am concerned about the variance in Ethanol/ULP ratio from batch to batch (anywhere from 70/30 to 85/15 is their stated tolerance )

Is the economy that bad- 350kms

Yes i understand 50min drive to fill up no good

How much per liter do you pay for E85

Edited May 14, 2010 by boostedaxis

[iamhe77]

E85 is $1 per Litre.

~350kms (average) until the light comes on, yes... although I am sure he could get it out to about 400kms if he tried

[scotty nm35]

I have on a long run Cam.

Generally around 360 to 400 from 65 liters if I take it easy, although its running rich as buggery. At 20 psi at the moment, the air forces its way past the throttle pretty easily so its hard to control the foot, 5mm on the pedal under boost gives me way too much punch so it can be hard to save fuel. Mind you, at $1 a liter who cares.

[RS4StagMan]

Liquid injection would be awesome, but I am afraid it is available as dual-fuel only at this point (just got off the phone with Australian LPG Warehouse)

They have done mono-fuel LiLPG setups, but have had nothing but issues with startup where the LPG has vapourised in the lines (Winter has separate issues to Summer also).

When they get their heads together and figure out a method of having the car start safely on LiLPG and that complies with the relevant ADR's, then I think it will be a more appealing option.

He did say that the dual-fuel option was no problem as he has a ute using this setup that pushes 420rwkw with no issues at all.

Yes only dual fuel is the go with Liquid Injection (LiLPG) as does have it's limitations.........

same goes with Vapour Sequential Gas Injection (SGI) systems.

The only system for Mono LPG fuel that has been proven is older style conversions. I run the Gas Research system and so do many many RB30 Turbo VL Commodore owners with great success.

Some of these Nissan engined VL Commodores are 10 sec machines here in VIC (big horsepower engines)............

I can see that in the future the LiLPG technology will be able to reliably support running mono LPG....until then I'm happy to continue to run the Mono LPG system I have.

[RS4StagMan]

how does the gas go? worth the conversion?

the thought of gas conversion scares me for some reason...

however the new liquid gas injection systems seem too good to be true!

Yes the car runs very well on straight LPG. Don't be scared of LPG, it is very safe these days and you need a good installer and tuner- preferrably at the one workshop.

You can read about my conversion here

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Lp...stagea+series+2

[tchard]

Yes the car runs very well on straight LPG. Don't be scared of LPG, it is very safe these days and you need a good installer and tuner- preferrably at the one workshop.

You can read about my conversion here

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Lp...stagea+series+2

great work mate... will definetly consider, but may wait until technology improves

[nickcorr]

straight gas Falcon will be LiLPG when it is launched in the next few months...

SAAB 9-5 and 9-3 engines are all optimised for E85 fuel now.. they detune themselves to work on PULP. Many manufacturers are very commited to EXX based fuels. Commodore was exported to South America about 10 years ago, with uprated fuel lines to cope with their normal E25 fuel. E20 is also the norm for Thailand now and most 1 tonne utes and current Honda Jazz, City, Accord (fat one) Nissan Tiida, Maxima are sourced from there.