Rb30 Block Modifications

[hpt_simon]

hi,

tried a long search , and read god knows how many posts trying to find informations.

so, my question is: what modifcations do people do to rb30 blocks internally? i know in the rb26 you drill out the oil returns abit mone, no idea how much, and same as rb30 polish the inside of block to relieve stress and take all casting marks out. what else do people do?

how much do you drill the oil returns out to ?

do you also drill the main bearing oil outlets bigger¿

any modifications to the water ways?

and i saw on some other forum how they modified the block for oil jects, as i think rb26 ones wont fit and there is too little material to use banjo bolts.

im going to be building a 800bhp dry sumped track car with rb30, and want to keep it as reliable as possible (if this is possible )

thanks again

simon

[Swiper the Fox]

hi,

tried a long search , and read god knows how many posts trying to find informations.

so, my question is: what modifcations do people do to rb30 blocks internally? i know in the rb26 you drill out the oil returns abit mone, no idea how much, and same as rb30 polish the inside of block to relieve stress and take all casting marks out. what else do people do?

how much do you drill the oil returns out to ?

do you also drill the main bearing oil outlets bigger¿

any modifications to the water ways?

and i saw on some other forum how they modified the block for oil jects, as i think rb26 ones wont fit and there is too little material to use banjo bolts.

im going to be building a 800bhp dry sumped track car with rb30, and want to keep it as reliable as possible (if this is possible )

thanks again

simon

Deburr, oil drains out to 8mm, oil feeds out to 7mm, grout to bottom of welsh plugs and use Nitto RB30 rods as they have an oil jet built into them that jets oil to the underside of piston using a feed off the big end bearing.

hope that answers your questions Simon...hows the Vi-PEC?

Edited May 7, 2010 by Swiper the Fox

[Cartman]

Deburr, oil drains out to 8mm, oil feeds out to 7mm, grout to bottom of welsh plugs and use Nitto RB30 rods as they have an oil jet built into them that jets oil to the underside of piston using a feed off the big end bearing.

hope that answers your questions Simon...hows the Vi-PEC?

Is that the I beams only that have that feature?

[hpt_simon]

Deburr, oil drains out to 8mm, oil feeds out to 7mm, grout to bottom of welsh plugs and use Nitto RB30 rods as they have an oil jet built into them that jets oil to the underside of piston using a feed off the big end bearing.

hope that answers your questions Simon...hows the Vi-PEC?

thanks for the answer dude.

so drains to 8 and 7mm oild feeds? to where? head? mains? .....sorry dont have block infront of me to check how retarded my doubt is

i heard of the nitto feature, but i already have custom rods (longer, for rb26 pistons) and these dont have that feature. so as i need to take the block to get worked on anyways, was hoping there was another mod to fit the rb26 jets or some other type of jet (or i could just drill the rods for this, and modify the bearing for it?, but this would mean i alwasy have oil coming out..........well, thinking about it, souldnt be that bad hahha, as i have esternal pump, and could just gear diferenty to keep pressure up)

vipec. is brilliant, didnt get to use it much, as my engine was on its way out , in the process of full stich weld the chasis and get money to keep the projcect going. but one thing i have to add about the vipec ..or link ecus, is the ability to change all digital, analog etcetc outptus to suit your needs, thats proper top end ecu stuff, and very very very handy.

when you say grout the block? you mean take the lower welsh plugs out and put special cement in there?, if so, up to what level? as this is going to be a road / track car (high revving 3 liter thingy)

nothing else people do to their blocks¿

simon

Edited May 7, 2010 by hpt_simon

[lachlanw]

he means fill it with the grout up to the bottom of the frost plugs

[Swiper the Fox]

yes Nitto I beams only.

7mm from main bearings back to feed gallery.

and yes up to bottom of welsh plugs.

Edited May 7, 2010 by Swiper the Fox

[R32 Driver]

How do the nitto rods compare to argos? quality and price wise?

[Swiper the Fox]

How do the nitto rods compare to argos? quality and price wise?

about the same with both...although the Nitto's feature 7/16 rod bolts insted of the Argo's 3/8 bolts...the finish on the Nitto's is incredible. They also have the added bonus of having a built in piston oil squirter...very clever. The Nitto's are slightly more expensive as i get a good discount at Argo, but im happy to pay a bit more for Nitto. I have a mate who builds engines for Triple 8 racing who was an avid argo fan in the past but was highly impressed with the new Nitto items...if anyone knows what they are looking at its him.

Edited May 8, 2010 by Swiper the Fox

[datsqik]

I fitted some Nitto rods in a 30 last week and they definately look strong. Slightly heavier than the Argos though. The argos use a groove in the side to allow some oil to get thrown in the direction of the piston and the Pauter rods use 2 grooves in the side for the same thing but they can also be ordered with a oil hole right thru the rod to the pin. I personally think the Nitto rods are one of the best on the market and would recommend them to anyone building a tough rb30. The little end on these is undersized so they can be honed to suit the pin being used unlike some rods on the market that are to loose right from the word go.

[nsmo30tt]

I have a question about grout filling.. would this be recommended on a street car or is that just pure stupidity?

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Out of interest, what do the Nitto rods run out at price wise?

[NYTSKY]

I have a question about grout filling.. would this be recommended on a street car or is that just pure stupidity?

I know a guy who has a 2.9L RB with a half grout filled block. Drives it on the weekends.

Just make sure you have a very good cooling system.

[nsmo30tt]

I know a guy who has a 2.9L RB with a half grout filled block. Drives it on the weekends.

Just make sure you have a very good cooling system.

Sweet.. Think I might give that a go.. you think that big rad with stock viscous fan and shroud on with 1 electric fan on the front and aircon rad removed with an early opening thermo is a good enough cooling system?

[NYTSKY]

Well on this engine there are 2x 16inch thermos on the 55mm radiator.

Also an 8inch thermo on the oil cooler.

No aircon in the car.

[datsqik]

Ive filled them with harblok to the top of the lower welsh plugs (about 30mm from the bottom) without any over heating problems. Ive just done another to 15mm from the top which also has darton sleeves but thats a drag only car on meth.

[Swiper the Fox]

Ive filled them with harblok to the top of the lower welsh plugs (about 30mm from the bottom) without any over heating problems. Ive just done another to 15mm from the top which also has darton sleeves but thats a drag only car on meth.

I do them all as a matter of course now. Some of the circuit racers have commented that they have lower logged temps after grouting. When you really think about how a thermostat controlled cooling system works it actually makes sense.

If i did my own engine block i would have raced at Compak Attak as where the block split on the friday before the event was at the bottom of the water jacket. So from now on they all get grouted.

Edited May 9, 2010 by Swiper the Fox

[nsmo30tt]

so how exactly do you grout fill an engine or should my question be where can you buy proper grout fill for engines from?

[Swiper the Fox]

so how exactly do you grout fill an engine or should my question be where can you buy proper grout fill for engines from?

I buy my Hardblok from Rocket. Probably cheaper for you to drop the block off at your local engine shop and get them to do it.

[fatz]

give block to machinist

ask them to half grout fill

pay money... pick up block in a day or two

[nsmo30tt]

Yeah.. had a feeling that was the best option. Thanks guys