Young Drivers In Media Agan

[R TUNE]

Just saw a news artical on chanel 10.

basicly a vic roads think tank has come up with some ideas to help reduce the road toll. these include.

banning p-plate drivers from driving at night.

speed limiters on cars

tougher demeit points system (i believe this was for p-platers) also targeting drink drivers

there were a few others but cant rember

also the roads minster said p-platers are only 13% of total road users but 25% of total crashes.

When will the goverment understand it need's to be driver training and not tougher rules. dam soon you wont be able to do anything in a car unless u have a adult in thier till you get a full licence. then we see a incress of 21-26 yo as the major percentige in crashes, due to inexsperance.

[lukebaldan]

I agree mate.

It's a simple case of the government wanting to 'look good' by appearing to 'solve' the problem.

-Banning p platers from driving full stop at night is just silly

-Speed limiters will be expensive to implement and fairly easy to bypass

-The rules are already fairly tough, repeat offenders under the hoon law are greatly minimized

Yes we need driver training programs. I think we also need some high impact (pardon the pun) ads with emotion to emphasise the dangers of silly driving.

Expose high speed offenders to high speed fatal accidents to show them what can happen.

No matter how much you do, ultimately the stupidity of some younger drivers will continue to exist and there is nothing you can do to make them change their attitude

Edited May 31, 2010 by lukebaldan

[funkymonkey]

also the roads minster said p-platers are only 13% of total road users but 25% of total crashes.

so why are we wasting time, money and resources on them rather than the 87% of the road users that cause 75% of total crashes?

surely you'd target the majority rather than the minority as that would result in a larger reduction in incidents, assuming the same resources are allocated to the majority and a similar effectiveness in reduction, it would mean that proportionally speaking we'd have less accidents on the road.

Oh yeah that's right, scapegoating is a wonderful thang. Forgot it was an election year.

[r32silvergts]

Just saw a news artical on chanel 10.

basicly a vic roads think tank has come up with some ideas to help reduce the road toll. these include.

banning p-plate drivers from driving at night.

speed limiters on cars

tougher demeit points system (i believe this was for p-platers) also targeting drink drivers

there were a few others but cant rember

also the roads minster said p-platers are only 13% of total road users but 25% of total crashes.

When will the goverment understand it need's to be driver training and not tougher rules. dam soon you wont be able to do anything in a car unless u have a adult in thier till you get a full licence. then we see a incress of 21-26 yo as the major percentige in crashes, due to inexsperance.

lol they may as well say p platers cant have jobs either coz weel all loose em if that law passes

[maddowse]

has anyone seen that episode of topgear where they were talking about how drivers from finland are by fare the best drivers in the world !!

this is because they actualy start learning to drive at 13 years old and to pass there drivers test they have to be able to put there car into a power slide and pull out of it ,

as for the posts above i totaly agree what victoria needs is driveing schools like in the usa , me personaly i drove a vp commadore and thort i was the best driver arround (drag racing drifting (well steping it out arround courners!!) handbreak turns ) all the stuff you do when you get the keys to a powerfull car and have friends that will whatch , but when i turned 19 a mate got me to start rally with him , and boy did i learn fast that i could not drive lol. i could not keep up with a 10 year old kid that was racing in a toyota carolla and i was in my worked 1.8 gemini ,

its true all p platers think they can drive , untill there put in a situation were you have to controll the car at speed (not just do burnouts and weave in and out of trafic on a straight road!!!) , we need more motor sport places were they car drive as a sport and learn these skills, and we need driveing schools so they can learn the basics not just be show how to past there test .

sorry for the long post but i do agree and if it wasnt for rally teaching me how to drive i would have probably killed my self on the road thinking i could drive ,

[skins]

I agree with the comments regarding more driver training. There should be something similar to what they have in the USA. Also I do think that younger drivers should have some limits on 1. Who can be in the car with them and what times. 2. Power limitations to cars. 3. Maybe some sort of speed limitation device so that the vehicle won't go over 100km/h.

I never used to think that these things needed to be done ( or something ) to help lesson deaths on the road, nor really thought it could happen to me. I have a daughter and seeing this article on the weekend was a bit of a eye opener.

After The Crash. 60 mins. Sunday

You can never police it all the time as kids will be kids and get away with things.

It comes down to the parents as well.

[R TUNE]

Total agree with the above.

I got done when i was 20 for speeding inc a defect when i went to work the next day my boss pushed me to go to calder park and a track meet (ended up being winton) were i relised that i didn't realy know how to drive. and i still dont.

im 23 now and just started drifting and ive spent more time facing the worng way then completing a drift.

i also did the mercotts driver denfencive driver trg.

[lukebaldan]

as for the posts above i totaly agree what victoria needs is driveing schools like in the usa , me personaly i drove a vp commadore and thort i was the best driver arround (drag racing drifting (well steping it out arround courners!!) handbreak turns ) all the stuff you do when you get the keys to a powerfull car and have friends that will whatch , but when i turned 19 a mate got me to start rally with him , and boy did i learn fast that i could not drive lol. i could not keep up with a 10 year old kid that was racing in a toyota carolla and i was in my worked 1.8 gemini ,

Lol typical VN/VP P plate driver, worst kind of combination on the road. I'm yet to see a p plater drive a VN at the speed limit and/or drive sensibly.

Thankfully the hoon laws are assisting in pulling these death traps off the road and punishing the drivers. One aspect of the law that is making a difference

[bluejeans]

couldnt care less what they do anymore - not going to change how i drive - and shouldnt change how you all drive.

(unless your a p plater lulz)

[JamesK]

I agree with the comments regarding more driver training. There should be something similar to what they have in the USA. Also I do think that younger drivers should have some limits on 1. Who can be in the car with them and what times. 2. Power limitations to cars. 3. Maybe some sort of speed limitation device so that the vehicle won't go over 100km/h.

After The Crash. 60 mins. Sunday

You can never police it all the time as kids will be kids and get away with things.

It comes down to the parents as well.

I Agree with you in some areas like I know what you mean, when i first came here I was like "What no drivers ED? This is BS!" Mostly because it was my favorite period of the week but come on if there is one thing you SHOULD learn in school it's driving cause it is definitely something your going to use in the real world, and not knowing the terminal velocity of a falling object, or the periodic table or even algebra, I'm sure has a SIGNIFICANTLY less chance of killing you

but we already HAVE these restriction's don't we? And it's pretty much proven they don't work I don't think the issue is we don't have enough restrictions, its EVERYTHING ELSE that we don't have enough of; for example several situations were suppression was used as a SOLUTION, not as an aid; take everyday life, when someone tells you over and over not to do something without giving you a clear reason or you think you capable of doing that task you do it right? Or the Cancellation of the Easternats, practically any peaceful protest which has turned ugly cause of police suppression. And for you geeks and nerds out there the Blu-Ray Hash key on Digg! When they tried to suppress it they received retaliation from the majority of the community, when they finally decided to give up NO BODY CARED! Its human nature, you ban us from not being about to do something that the majority of people feel that it is a right rather then a luxury there is going to be retaliation. Drugs, Sex & Alcohol is a prime example, no one here can tell me they waited till they were 18 before they had their first sip of alcohol (Not with their parents). More restrictions, i personally, don't think is the answer. Why DON'T we have drivers ed? Hell you got the space. Some places in the US host free track days every 1-2 months in hopes that it takes "hoons" off the road and onto a controlled legal environment and so far it's been WORKING. Autobahn is another one; unrestricted in some parts, 140 in others and the only real restriction being that some places require you to have a MINIMUM top speed of 61, but yet the Autobarhn maintains one of the lower fatality rates on Highways. I think we need more government support for drivers education, cleaning up the roads, seriously some of these pot holes are RIDICULOUS, lighting up more roads, and if you really want to get people off the road how about more public transport, and do something about those god damn trains and how about if you decide to put a Tram on the street not choosing one that basically has ONE LANE with cars parked on the other one ! We more government sponsored track days or facilities and also stop all this profiling crap you drive a hotted up car so your immediately a hoon? No officer I really think you should pay attention to that dick in a shitbox Vauxhuall who looks like he's about to drop his clutch. I'm not say remove all restrictions or any for that matter I just don't think restrictions and suppression is the solution....rant over

oh and I agree with that Parent's comment. Seriously some parent's today its just shocking, they should be allowed to have kids.

JR

EDIT: Oh and that vid, REAL eye opener I think everyone should give it a watch (However although I don't agree with it entirely, mostly the fact that she was a 17 year old P Plater driving under the influence, she was still a young life still had parents and still had loved ones, it also really shows what catastrophic affects your negligent/stupid actions can have on others, even if it's unimaginable, it's possible)

[KezR33]

I think all P platers should be forced to do an advanced driving course, or at least traffic offenders should be forced to do them.

I mean, not only are they really educational but they're fun too!

[R TUNE]

Did see the add for ACA story tomorow night on speeding drivers in school zones.

One driver commondore looked like VP had "HOON" accross the front windscreen as if it were a HOLDEN SITCKER.

Either some one wonts the cops to catch him or he is a real idot.

I fell for my brother as when he gets his p's in 4 years will he be able to do or drive anything other then a lawnmower or golf buggy with rally light set up

[funkymonkey]

JamesK... sweet Birds impression bro.

[JamesK]

JamesK... sweet Birds impression bro.

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[_Ryan_]

Road quality.

Driver training.

Some f**king think tank.

[Jack_Sky]

If there is one thing for sure i agree with its the power restriction rules.. im almost 21 now and have just got a turbo vehicle. but before i had the skyline i drove a subaru liberty, just a manual stocko 2.5l awd.. it was awd so i could never do anything stupid like burnouts, drifts, etc.. most fun would be a handbrakey, and you get bored pretty quick... i must say i think it was the best first car to start driving in and i know what im gonna buy my kids if i ever have any and if they ever get their licences. haha

having said that.... most of the other rules they are trying to implement now are f**king ridiculous... banning driving at night for p platers/under 25s.. or whatever it is... how do they expect ppl to experience driving at night then?? so as soon as we can legally drink and drive.. we can drive at night.. seems f**kin ridiculous.

how are we ment to go to work if we work at night? etc etc

Speed limiters, stupid.. to expensive never going to happen so no need to worry...

and harsher points system...? its already fairly harsh as is.. i mean accidents happen, and you need to take into account ppl do make mistakes... 5 points in 365 days, its already pretty tight if you ask me.

[maddowse]

... 5 points in 365 days, its already pretty tight if you ask me.

not to pick on you because it may just be that iv been lucky but i have only ever racked up 5 points in ten years of driveing (most in a rodeo diesl and patrol diesl)

but i like the idea of a awd car for a p plater mean less likely to try snakies and hit a pole !

[R TUNE]

5 points for year is not bad. basicly means one decent offence and 2 time you losse your licence.

or even FWD car's for p-plater but then what happens when they go RWD on their full licence and get a bit tail happy in the wet?

[Peter89]

I agree with the comments regarding more driver training. There should be something similar to what they have in the USA. Also I do think that younger drivers should have some limits on 1. Who can be in the car with them and what times. 2. Power limitations to cars. 3. Maybe some sort of speed limitation device so that the vehicle won't go over 100km/h.

I never used to think that these things needed to be done ( or something ) to help lesson deaths on the road, nor really thought it could happen to me. I have a daughter and seeing this article on the weekend was a bit of a eye opener.

After The Crash. 60 mins. Sunday

You can never police it all the time as kids will be kids and get away with things.

It comes down to the parents as well.

your kidding right? that's ridiculously dangerous. not only is the speed limit in some parts of Australia 130kph, but victoria 110k zones aren't uncommon, add to that, the inability to overtake.

your telling me you have NEVER done more then the limit to over take someone? you high?

im not going to sit on the wrong side of the road for any longer then required thus gun it past the car going slow and continue on. im not going to sit next to the car at 100kph.

also, if anyone install that bullshit, i'd be getting it removed ASAP. wouldn't be hard. speed limiters failed in japan, they will fail here.

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how about they get rid of the double standards. If the slightest "lose of traction" or "tyre noise" gets you impounded why doesn't drink driving? we get 3 strikes, why dont they?

1st offense: 1month impound

2nd offense: 3months impound.

3rd offense: impounded for life and sold.

similar to the anti "hoon" laws.

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there's one thing i never understand with drink driving and passengers. it's the passengers responsibility to check whether their driver is safe to be in the car, when going to parties and the whole driving thing starts, even by then you know that drink driving isn't worth the risk so why do passengers ignore problem.

if one of my friends was driving me home, if even drunk and i knew he had been drinking too much not only would i not get in the car, i would do as much as i could to stop him from driving. then again, this doesn't happen. it is implied the driver doesn't drink and we work out driving arrangments before we are even at parties/pubs or clubs.

so always blaming the driver for the death of the passengers is a little too much, considering passengers aren't forced into the car and should know better, even at 15.

Edited May 31, 2010 by Peter89

[Birds]

so why are we wasting time, money and resources on them rather than the 87% of the road users that cause 75% of total crashes?

surely you'd target the majority rather than the minority as that would result in a larger reduction in incidents, assuming the same resources are allocated to the majority and a similar effectiveness in reduction, it would mean that proportionally speaking we'd have less accidents on the road.

Oh yeah that's right, scapegoating is a wonderful thang. Forgot it was an election year.

You fool. Can't you see the Jews are responsible for those crashes?