Apexi Power Fc

[mjscar]

Hey guys,

I don't really know where to post this question as it doesn't really have much to do with the Skyline itself so I apologise in advance, but I'm just wondering whether the APEXi Power FC for the RB25DET is really discontinued or not. The reason I'm asking is because I am really confused how a product which have been proclaimed by everybody, and even tuners who I recently contacted, to be discontinued could be popping up on sites such as Nengun and eBay as brand new. I have asked one of the seller on eBay and he said to me that they actually still do make it albeit in limited numbers and only to certain distributors. Is this true? I don't want to believe him only to find that it's actually a replica of the original.

Anyway, I apologise if this have been answered or cleared up before but I have tried to research both on the internet and the forum, but ever since 2006-2007ish when everyone said that it had been discontinued, I can't find much update or information on them.

Once again, sorry if it's a bit off topic but I'm currently on the market for a PFC and just need this to be cleared up before I make any purchase :S

Thanks guys,

Rian

[Hanaldo]

They don't make them anymore, don't listen to ebay sellers. They have started making a new version of it, which is what Nengun sells, and you will probably find that the ebay ones are either not brand new or the seller has had them sitting for quite a long time which isn't unlikely.

But why do you want to buy brand new? Bloody expensive brand new, you might as well get a ViPEC for a better price. Scope out the for sale sections, much better prices second hand. For example: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Ap...33-t323468.html

[mjscar]

They don't make them anymore, don't listen to ebay sellers. They have started making a new version of it, which is what Nengun sells, and you will probably find that the ebay ones are either not brand new or the seller has had them sitting for quite a long time which isn't unlikely.

But why do you want to buy brand new? Bloody expensive brand new, you might as well get a ViPEC for a better price. Scope out the for sale sections, much better prices second hand. For example: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Ap...33-t323468.html

The only reason I wanted to buy a brand new one was because for the few days that I have been looking around, the majority of them are selling for $1200-$1500 second hand, which is not that far off from the price of a brand new one on eBay. So why wouldn't you consider buying a new.

But damn man. Thanks for that link. You quite literrally saved me a shitload of dosh! I am assuming that if I was to get it proffessionally tuned, I don't need the hand controller?

Thankk youu veryy muchos!!

[Don Dada]

You're still lucky man... u can get stuff used from other guys there!

Right now i'm looking for a pfc for the 25 as well and my only options are from ebay aus which sucks because i'm on the other side of the globe.....Ive been hunting in the usa but with no luck

There are not many options here at all and stuff that are available.........well i shouldn't say available, but could be ordered through authorized dealers here are exp like shit and they dont even tune them.....

An eg is the vipec pnp which works out to about $4500 aus and thats without tuning!

Ultimately i want the pfc because i will be doing the tune for myself and this looks like the easiest to tune by far plus i like the use of the hc to monitor but i'm really

frustrated now and it looks like i might have to go in the direction of the emanage ultimate instead which looks confusing as hell for a novice like myself!

Ive read Trent (Status) emu thread probably about 3 times now and from those who are using it seems to have issues to iron out still

So are there any well known sau traders willing to hook me up with a 25 pfc..... It MUST be tested and in good working condition tho because i dont want to fork out for it and ship it to the Caribbean and then end up with probs......

Dont know if i can trust the ones i saw on ebay aus. with the "no warranty on electronics" thing!

Any advice?

[some_cs_student]

Have you tried Jesse Streeter? Might be able to find you something in Japan...

[Don Dada]

Can u give me more info???

As i said i'm not in aus.

Thanks

[KiwiRS4T]

Can u give me more info???

As i said i'm not in aus.

Thanks

You can buy a plug in Link (a ViPec is a rebadged Link) straight from the factory in New Zealand for about NZ$2000:

http://www.linkecu.com/

or there are US distributors:

http://www.linkecu.com/dealers/dealersusa

Oh OK I see you are not in the US - well just get one from NZ and get the tuning software as well and tune it with a laptop - assuming you have all the gear - wideband afr meter, ex temp guage, etc etc ...dyno?

[paulr33]

some models are still made, some are discontinued

ECR33 is the most common problem one, discontinued as NEC no longer make the NEC PF74 (or FP74 cant remember) processor needed for it

ap engineering units are no longer made

pro versions are no longer made - these were made by ap engineering

BCNR33 / BNR32 / BNR34 / EVO / WRX etc units are still avaiable new from apexi

so yes they are still made new (some models)

for discontinued models (such as ECR33) you have to resort to 2nd hand units

[HEKT1K]

Paul, do the d-jetro models use the same processors etc?

Apex'i have just released a d-jetro pfc for ecr33... with the sweet new hand controller

[paulr33]

oh what the? are you sure?

yeah djetro should use the same ECU, its no different, other than map sensors instead of airflow meters

[paulr33]

ok that's a new one i havent seen

this is a special kit made by nengun directly and it includes

BCNR33 Powerfc

Field one touch loom patch kit

apexi rsm

map sensor + sensor harness

djetro sensor harness

air temp sensor

base tune for ECR33 djetro

all in a compete kit for $1960 delivered it looks like

i suspect the loom kit theyve used pairs up the map sensor input and also performs the other wire changes that cubes identified are required to make BCNR33 PFC work on ECR33.

[HEKT1K]

oh so it's a gtr pfc modded to suit gtst? interesting.

now get working on a hack to make the standard controllers look like those flashy new ones!

[paulr33]

yeah its a GTR R33 PowerFC, it has always worked on ECR33

the Mafia did it and cubes did it as well

you need to make some wiring loom changes (i suspect the field one touch loom kit theyve used does this) and some tune changes

the known gotchas we found was

if you DATA INIT- it will go back to BCNR33 defaults instead of ECR33 tune, so what happens here?

no support for VCT - sluggish car overall

bonus support for air temp sensor included

it will be interesting to see if the nengun/apexi actually remap the BCNR33 PFC or just supply a generic one

if its remapped properly (ap engineering stlye) then when you DATA INIT, it will come back as ECR33 Djetro and also VCT would be included if they remap it properly

[Don Dada]

Whats the deal with the rsm though?

Why is it needed?

[paulr33]

no idea, it doesn't say

so the unknowns at this stage

why is the RSM included

is it a Ap engineering style remap (ie permenant remap, so DATA INIT is OK)

or is it a BCNR33 with a custom tune (ie DATA INIT will revert back to BCNR33 defaults)

does ETC VERSION show RB26DETT or RB25D1 / RB25DETD1

is RB25DET VCT supported