Deca Wrap Up - Saturday 5th June 2010

[scotty014]

Sure, heel and toe lessons for all! Don't judge me by the DECA results though lol, my heel and toe efforts are much better than my overall DECA driving

its ok mate i wont, i see DECA as just a fun event anyway .the only thing im sure i would suck at is trying to remember the directions on the skidpan, id stuff up all the time lol.

[j&m]

MX5 finishes 11th overall !!!!!!!

Got to be happy with that. It's interesting how much difference the type of skidpan course affects the lighter, lesser powered cars. If it's tight I'm right up there. If it is a straighter longer course I've got no hope. As for the Wang's, 114kW just isn't enough to keep up.

Thanks for a great day guys. I recently went along to a WRX club event and they made us feel second class. You guys are really make us feel welcome.

[Russman]

I'm going to hold you to that

No probs.

sif heal and toe on a skid pan... compression lockup is almost as good as using the handbrake;)

That has merit too. Seriously! I learnt if from Rowdy! It's very effective!

I used to do it a lot but now my handbrake ---> select first gear sequence is working well and I think it's quicker.

Awesome results! Im stoked to say the least!

Ryan when you said I wouldnt be competitve with Russells car on the last battle I didnt know you meant id get no points for it! All good anyway.

Im happy to fly the RB26 flag AND the Street Tyre flag, and of course happy about stomping on the RB20 flag

Tips on winning DECA: Big wing and red racing boots!

HAHA. RB20 flag will be picked up and flown proud for the fastest RWD skyline!!!

I thought you would still get points too. Lucky you were so far ahead it didn't matter.

[KezR33]

Okay so I tried this whole heel and toe thing, and either I'm not doing it right, or my accelerator pedal is too far back. When I plant my foot hard on the brakes It's still about a cm or two higher than the accelerator at its highest point. Makes it very difficult to dip my heel that much lower than my toe.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

that's fine... its eastiest to start with hard braking

try rolling your foot and not quite using your heel

[teK--]

Yeah bad luck every car's different; on mine the two pedals are even height so when the brake is down it's about an inch lower than the acccelerator.

Perhaps get one of those screw-on type pedal covers for your accelerator?

[femno]

I wouldnt get too bogged down with heel-toe on skidpans...you dont really use it if youre ripping that e-brake to spin around cones. Its more a high speed thing.

IMO rippin that e-brake is more important.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

true...

[KezR33]

He makes it look so easy... I'm guessing the second shift he's double clutching too?

[phunky_monkey]

I wouldnt get too bogged down with heel-toe on skidpans...you dont really use it if youre ripping that e-brake to spin around cones. Its more a high speed thing.

IMO rippin that e-brake is more important.

True that. Dip that clutch, rip that handbrake, add the power

Kieran: Don't worrry, you'll learn it with time and it will become second nature.

[limpus]

You might heel toe on the downshift on the wangs but on the skid pan you would almost never need to use it...kez...don't waste your time worrying about that now...concentrate on taking the right lines and getting timing for the turns right...and remember to have fun...

[Birds]

Okay so I tried this whole heel and toe thing, and either I'm not doing it right, or my accelerator pedal is too far back. When I plant my foot hard on the brakes It's still about a cm or two higher than the accelerator at its highest point. Makes it very difficult to dip my heel that much lower than my toe.

As Hamish said it's not a true "heel and toe" action...it's more a roll of the foot (left side of foot pushing brake, right side blipping accelerator), particularly if you're a tall guy. Some cars you just can't do it in if you're too tall for it or if the pedal positions are completely wack. You're much better learning double clutching first to get the hang of blipping an accelerator. PM me and I'll organise an arvo to teach ya...

[Drift SX]

I wouldnt get too bogged down with heel-toe on skidpans...you dont really use it if youre ripping that e-brake to spin around cones. Its more a high speed thing.

IMO rippin that e-brake is more important.

Spot on, Mat should know too, he smashed everyone

[vic stagea mick]

overall my times were not too bad for the big heavy awd auto stagea and first time at deca.Was a bit hard trying to get around some of those cones not being able to do hand brake turns they dont have one.might just run it in rwd next time taking the front drive shaft out see if that makes it a bit faster on the skid pan

Going to try to make it in august for another run as i had heaps of fun

[Birds]

There isn't a fuse you could pull out to do the same thing?

I remember that Caldina last time had some severe understeer issues particularly on the skiddy.

[achoo]

MX5 finishes 11th overall !!!!!!!

Got to be happy with that. It's interesting how much difference the type of skidpan course affects the lighter, lesser powered cars. If it's tight I'm right up there. If it is a straighter longer course I've got no hope. As for the Wang's, 114kW just isn't enough to keep up.

Thanks for a great day guys. I recently went along to a WRX club event and they made us feel second class. You guys are really make us feel welcome.

Great to see different cars out there!!

Also... great result!! Well done!

[TTCorona]

MX5 finishes 11th overall !!!!!!!

Got to be happy with that. It's interesting how much difference the type of skidpan course affects the lighter, lesser powered cars. If it's tight I'm right up there. If it is a straighter longer course I've got no hope. As for the Wang's, 114kW just isn't enough to keep up.

Thanks for a great day guys. I recently went along to a WRX club event and they made us feel second class. You guys are really make us feel welcome.

I noticed this as well.. Considering the engine in my car when it came out, had 75kw @ the flywheel, 26 years later I'm tipping its making a lot less.

With drive train losses I'm putting it at about 30-40rwkw at the moment!

My long wang runs couldn't have been any faster, i was driving the pants off it, and yet I'm way down the field.

also that first battle was very high-power friendly!!

But hey... there is many more-powerful cars below me so I am happy....

Sucks to be you guys

;)

[Russman]

But hey... there is many more-powerful cars below me so I am happy....

Sucks to be you guys

That's right!

[scotty014]

i have a question about this heel toe stuff, what do you mean by rev matching, what are you matching them to and how do you know where the revs should be for rev matching?

[teK--]

i have a question about this heel toe stuff, what do you mean by rev matching, what are you matching them to and how do you know where the revs should be for rev matching?

http://www.drivingfast.net/car-control/heel-toe-shifting.htm

By double clutch heel toe you're basically matching the layshaft AND the engine to the speed of the lower gear. It's different for every car depending on your gear ratios, so you just gotta practise.

If you dont' double clutch, and ONLY heel toe then you're only matching the speed of the engine which avoids the jerkiness but still beats up on the synchros.