Sequential shifter converter - Interested???

[supahiro27]

Hi all!!

I just found out about an adaptor kit that changes a standard H box to sequential. I have emailed the manufacturer and am waiting for more info on costs, availability etc, but just wondering a) if anyone has heard about these things, and B) If I can get them at the right price, who'd be interested???

Thanks

[snyper510]

I have heard of plenty of ‘off-the-shelf’ GTR sequential boxes – but not of a sequential conversion kit (not for the GTR that is). I’d say it would be quite expensive considering a new sequential box is upwards of $20k. You’d probably need at least a new gearkit/selectors, shifter mechanism, levers, etc. maybe even a new clutch, to modify a standard box if it is even possible. Then you’d probably want to add hydrualic actuation, paddle shift, etc so you can be just like Schumacher. But if you have the $$$...

[EnricoPalazzo]

Hey mate, rezz on these forums can sell them and u will be lookin at around 2k.

Cheers

[Merli]

Japanese company "Ikeya Formula" make them...

R32/R33 GTR kit retails for 150,000 Yen.

R34 GTR Kit wasn't released last time I heard

All GTS-t kits are 120,000 Yen.

[justinfox]

Very interesting. You still have to use the clutch so it's not like a hollinger. Strange huh? Where's Rezz when you need him!? Rezz, or anyone else... more 1st hand info!

[justinfox]

Actually, it's useless if you have to press the clutch in isn't it? And having to stare at the gear indicator to tell what gear your in might get pretty damn frustrating.

[predator]

hence why they're used for going in a straight line in a drag car, and not really that suited to a street car.

[Merli]

It's just a dumb "Japanese innovation" guys... It sits on top of the standard box and it's ugly as all hell.

Not even the japanese buy it for their cars. I played with it at Tokyo Autosalon last year and it seemed to work okay, and a cool gadgety "novelty" item, but I sure as hell wouldn't put it in my car

Here's their website: http://www.ikeya-f.co.jp/english/

[usuckpoo]

The biggest reason why pple move to sequential boxes is to enable faster shifts.

Ikeya Formula sits on top of the standard box so the speed of your shift is still fundamentally restricted by the design and internals of ur own gearbox. It just changes the h pattern shift to a sequential pattern. You can argue that yanking on the Ikeya formula is slightly faster than shifting your H pattern gearstick, but eventually the weakness of your box will lead to its failure.

[supahiro27]

The Ikeya looks like puss, I have to say, but it is not the one I have been told about. I can get the Holingers for $18k, and HKS for even less. I've heard about an adaptor and is fitted to the standard shifter with out the ugly mods of the Ikeya product.

Still waiting for info to come to me, but it is selling really well in the USA to Supra owners for about $500 US + fitting.

Apparently there is a locating dial placed around the shifter that is twisted to choose either standard "H" pattern, sequential or Drag shifting. I am trying to wrap my mind around how it actually does this, but I willpost more info as soon as it comes to hand.

[justinfox]

Well does it use the clutch or not? That's the main question for me.

[supahiro27]

Not sure as I have not yet heard back from the Manufacturer, but I bank on a "yes" at the moment. Mainly as it is a modification of the stock box. But STAY TUNED, as I will post more info as soon as I get it.

[snyper510]

If it is an external bolt on adaptor, then you are missing the point of a sequential gearbox - your shifts may consist of a simple push/pull motion, but the adapter mechanism itself is still going through the motions of your H-pattern selector (probably through some complex little gear/linkage setup thingamajig). In essence you're just adding more slop/compliance/weakness into the system for the sake of lazier up/down shifting. Unless you're particularly challenged when it comes to shifting up and down a H-pattern, I don't see how a device like this could be of any real advantage past it’s “look at me im a racecar driver” novelty factor.

[supahiro27]

Yeah, I see your point, but if someone doesn't like the novelty factor, why do they buy a turbo car and put mag wheels, exhaust, BOVs etc on it??? Sure, there is the performance aspect, but don't these cars go fast enough??

I personally don't like the paddle shifters in the Ferrari's, but people buy them. Why do R34's have this feature on the steering wheel??

"BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT IT".

Everyone in real life I have mentioned it to has gone "cool, I'd buy one!!" Looks like most of those people like that novelty factor - otherwise they'd all be driving 3 speed auto corollas that get them from A to B, wouldn't they??

[supahiro27]

Information just to hand...

"The shifter is comprised of a set of guides.

What happens is you engage the device and it sets

down a guide 1st through 4th gear. Once you disengage

the mod you drive normally. It is not a true

sequential shifter in the forwards to back pattern.

For that you'll need a true (and expensive) sequential shifter

which is very costly. The adaptor works really well

and since installing it I've never missed a gear while

drag racing."

Waiting on more info & pics, that I will poston receipt

[Rezz]

Iyaya...

I *had* that Ikeya Shifter on my site, but after Ikeya went through their 3rd generation make-over for it, I got a bit suspicious about them... good idea if Ikeya actually open up a branch in Australia to handle all the warranty work....

[snyper510]

Ok - so it sounds like it is an adapter whereby you still shift the normal H pattern, but it locks out each gear in sequence as you shift up so you cant miss-shift? That is starting to sound more practical.

[usuckpoo]

If the above conversation is still about the ikeya shifter then i can gurantee you will still experience missed shifts if u shift too quickly.

You are still limited by the fundamental construction of the standard box.

A mate of mine put it on for a while and realised that its not much more than a rice item.

[usuckpoo]

Yeah, I see your point, but if someone doesn't like the novelty factor, why do they buy a turbo car and put mag wheels, exhaust, BOVs etc on it???  Sure, there is the performance aspect, but don't these cars go fast enough??

I personally don't like the paddle shifters in the Ferrari's, but people buy them.  Why do R34's have this feature on the steering wheel??  

"BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT IT".  

Everyone in real life I have mentioned it to has gone "cool, I'd buy one!!"  Looks like most of those people like that novelty factor - otherwise they'd all be driving 3 speed auto corollas that get them from A to B, wouldn't they??

Do u mean to say that you drive an R33 GTR V-SPEC (if you really are) just because of its novelty factor and that your mates think its a sick car?

[supahiro27]

Usuckpoo (interesting call) you are just not seeing this are you? If you actually read the text on my posts, you might understand what I am saying?? Seems like Ureallydosuckpoo as you are making a bit of a dick of yourself.

I'm not going to be the source of your cheap entertainment. I have more important things to do.

This post was a simple espression of interest, nothing more.

For the record, I own 4 companies and don't suffer fools well. So as a matter of fact, I DO have a real GTR V-Spec, so don't patronise me.

Now, for everyone else who's had something useful to say (that is every contributor to the post except Mr Poo), thank you for your honest points of view and thoughts. I do greatly appreciate your time experience.