Mobile Speed Cameras

[butch]

would like to see what others think about cameras with no warning.

(sourced From rta nsw)Frequently asked questions - Mobile speed cameras

Why are mobile speed cameras being re-introduced?

Speed is the greatest contributor to road trauma. Mobile speed cameras are being re-introduced to reduce the road toll. Sadly, last year 213 people were killed in speed-related crashes on NSW roads and speeding was the largest contributor to the increase in the 2009 road toll.

The NSW Government recognises that mobile speed cameras are effective in reducing speeding leading to a reduction in crashes. The introduction of mobile speed camera programs in Queensland and Victoria has reduced casualty crashes in those states by at least 25 per cent.

Recent RTA research indicates strong support for enforcement amongst NSW drivers, with a large number of drivers supporting an increase in enforcement.

Mobile speed cameras are effective because the unpredictability of the camera location creates a general deterrence effect for speeding leading to a crash reduction across the whole network not just at camera locations.

Mobile speed cameras will support existing police enforcement and form part of a comprehensive speed management strategy for NSW.

Is this a new program?

The NSW Police Force previously operated mobile speed cameras however the program was discontinued because it used outdated wet-film technology. The NSW Government is now re-introducing a mobile speed camera program managed by the RTA.

The RTA has reviewed the approaches used for mobile speed cameras in other jurisdictions to ensure the NSW program will be considered best practice.

What is the scale of the program?

Mobile speed cameras will operate state-wide and enforcement will be conducted at all times and on all types of roads.

Will there be any new offences?

Mobile speed cameras will enforce existing speeding laws.

Why is the program being outsourced?

The mobile speed camera program will be managed by the RTA, with the operation and maintenance of speed cameras and vehicles outsourced to a third party who is a private contractor. Outsourcing the operation of mobile speed cameras means police resources will not have to be diverted from other hands-on road safety activities such as random breath testing and roadside drug testing.

Outsourcing will also reduce the cost to the NSW Government associated with purchasing and depreciation of infrastructure.

The RTA, in consultation with the NSW Police Force, will manage the deployment of mobile speed cameras to ensure the program delivers maximum road safety benefits. Locations for mobile speed enforcement will be based on road safety criteria determined by the RTA’s NSW Centre for Road Safety in consultation with the NSW Police Force and NRMA Motoring and Services

The certification of speed measuring devices will continue to be managed by the RTA, as they are with fixed speed cameras, to ensure the accuracy and reliability of mobile speed cameras.

The State Debt Recovery Office will continue to be responsible for processing and issuing infringements to ensure that a third party will not be able to obtain or use the personal details of motorists.

Will the program be covert?

No, the cameras will not be hidden, however, their locations will be less predictable than fixed speed cameras. Drivers are reminded they should not exceed the speed limit regardless of the presence of enforcement.

Will signage be installed warning motorists on the approach to the cameras?

There will be signage after the mobile speed camera vehicle to alert drivers that their speed has been checked so they have the opportunity to modify their behaviour. There will be no advance warning on the approach to cameras.

What will happen to the revenue from mobile speed cameras?

Revenue raised from speeding offences detected by mobile speed cameras will be used to fund the ongoing implementation of the program and other road safety measures proposed in a NSW Government Road Toll Response Package. As with all money raised though speeding offences, fines will be paid to the Treasury and redirected back into the community through health, education and road safety.

How do we know the cameras will be accurate?

Mobile speed cameras, like fixed speed cameras, are subject to rigorous regular testing, certification and calibration in accordance with legislated requirements. This testing is conducted routinely to ensure that the accuracy of cameras is maintained.

How do the cameras work?

Mobile speed cameras work like fixed speed cameras, however, they are moved from location to location in a vehicle.

The mobile speed cameras are operated by technicians who will only be responsible for driving the mobile speed camera vehicle to the scheduled enforcement location, setting up the camera in accordance with operating procedures and ensuring that the camera is secured and operating correctly while it is enforcing speeding.

As with a fixed speed camera, the actual enforcement of speeding will be an automated process that is conducted by the camera. A vehicle’s speed will be detected using an approved speed measurement device such as a radar. If a vehicle is detected speeding, a digital image of the vehicle is recorded from which all details regarding the speeding vehicle can be extracted.

This image is then used to generate an infringement.

What do the cameras record?

Mobile speed cameras will record similar information to that recorded by fixed speed cameras. Images from fixed speed cameras clearly show the colour, type, make and number plate of the vehicle and record the following information:

* Date of the offence

* Time of the offence

* Location details of the camera that took the picture

* Direction of travel of the offending vehicle

* Speed of the offending vehicle

* Speed limit applying to the road where the camera is situated

* Other security and integrity parameters.

What if I wasn’t the driver at the time of the offence?

If you were not driving the vehicle at the time of the offence, you should provide the name and details of the driver by completing the statutory declaration form provided with the penalty notice and forward it to the State Debt Recovery Office for processing.

Edited June 30, 2010 by butch

[GTRsean]

Don't speed and there should be nothing to worry about.

Just have to look out for people doing 10k-20km under the limit everywhere, as usual!.

[butch]

Don't speed and there should be nothing to worry about.

Just have to look out for people doing 10k-20km under the limit everywhere, as usual!.

hahaha try that sean. but can anyone recall why the removed them in the first place ? technology or the motoring body voted against it ?

[allthewaytotheskyline]

heavy!

[GTR-N1]

....the operation.... of speed cameras and vehicles outsourced to a third party who is a private contractor.

just wondering how i become one of these?

i'd catch so many speeding white cars with chaser rims/chequered stripes/multiple aerials endangering wild-life

[dont_ask]

I believe it a f**king stupid idea to reintroduce it. I have not received a speeding ticket in the last 5-10 years. If you need to speed up just to over take someone or you are teaching a L plate and they push accelerate instead of brake and they were speeding it would cause more chaos I believe. Come on if I get a speeding ticket because I was 10 over the limit to over take now that is stupid. Honestly I believe if they do that they should give a larger limit then 12 demerit points and give you the ability to regain point much faster because this is stupid. This makes it easier for people to lose their licenses, and give more money to the f**king insurance company because you get less of a bonus.

[FrangaR33]

Speed cameras are a stupid idea when they are fixed in place which results in everyone drive 15-20km/h less than the signed limit not just when your near the camera but within about 1km of it. So now we get to have that everywhere oh wonderful, I wonder whats going to happen when people start dying because they are too busy looking at their speedo so they dont get a fine. Are we going to have a massive campaign "not paying attention, that means you have a small penis" like the pinky campaign against speeding.

[PSI-FED]

Hmm lets have a think.

Government decreases points taken for minor offences. Hmm sounds good.. but wait, they increase the fines..

The government has simply deployed a method of penalizing people more often and masking it by allowing them to keep their licence for longer. Before a maximum of 4 low range speeding offences and your licence is gone, now you can get fined up to 12 times for speeding before your licence is suspended. Essentially their just milking out every single dollar they can get.

Its all about revenue raising, they dont give a f*ck about your safety or well being. And lets face it, even if the new accident figures for next year come out with 2-3 less casualties than the years when mobile camera's where not enforced, it just gives the f*ckwits justification to continue what their doing.

[oweban]

Mobile speed cameras are effective because the unpredictability of the camera location creates a general deterrence effect for speeding leading to a crash reduction across the whole network not just at camera locations.

Of course, because we'll all be too busy watching our speedos to make sure we're not even 1k over and then BANG up someones ass.

Will the program be covert?

No, the cameras will not be hidden, however, their locations will be less predictable than fixed speed cameras. Drivers are reminded they should not exceed the speed limit regardless of the presence of enforcement.

Will signage be installed warning motorists on the approach to the cameras?

There will be signage after the mobile speed camera vehicle to alert drivers that their speed has been checked so they have the opportunity to modify their behaviour. There will be no advance warning on the approach to cameras.

This of course depends on the officer in question bothering to put signs out up the road. Although this will probably be less than 5m after the camera; can't see many going for a 200m walk to put a sign down.

What will happen to the revenue from mobile speed cameras?

Revenue raised from speeding offences detected by mobile speed cameras will be used to fund the ongoing implementation of the program and other road safety measures proposed in a NSW Government Road Toll Response Package. As with all money raised though speeding offences, fines will be paid to the Treasury and redirected back into the community through health, education and road safety.

Oh, education and road safety in the form of more driver training?

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What's that? No? Ah well, suppose you don't really want to save lives after all.

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While I am in no way condoning speeding, I'm just saying, there's a lot more to it than just fining people who do. Driver education and training is so damn important, yet we get ignored.

[MBS206]

Mobile speed cameras were still in use in Wollongong up until around 3 years ago.

If you had your licence for 10 years, and drove the same way back then as you do now, and didn't get busted, you won't be getting busted all the time.

The cameras sit in a huge f**k off car like a ford Station wagon normally. And it's usually a small blue sign located around 10 metres after the car saying "You've been checked"

Seriously, it's not going to affect peoples behaviours so much, people are already moronic enough to sit 10 to 20 under the limit everywhere. Why will this change them now?

Oh and after 6 months of people not getting busted they'll go back to speeding anyway.

[oweban]

people are already moronic enough to sit 10 to 20 under the limit everywhere.

good point

[FrangaR33]

Seriously, it's not going to affect peoples behaviours so much, people are already moronic enough to sit 10 to 20 under the limit everywhere.

I just dont understand their mentality, why drive so bloody slowly? Or is it just the fact that all their speedo's are out by 20km/h. I'm from Melbourne yet people dont seem to drive anywhere near as slowly as they do in Sydney, in fact they are more likely to be speeding or tailgating you for doing the speed limit. And in Melbourne we've had mobile speed camera's for years and no one gives a shit. The mentality of the Sydney driver just seems geared up to drive slowly and if there is the threat of a speed camera they drive even slower.

[08r3308]

i guess people dont want fines and are being extra careful, i know there are some that take it to extreme and drive slooow but how things look for nsw it will be worse that in vic.

[Get EPIC]

It was the same when i was in Adelaide about 2 months ago.Every body was doing 10 k's under the limit everywhere.It was infuriating. I thought:These cops have really got these drivers shitting themselves.

[mattymagoo22]

there is only one thing that annoys me more than driving 10-20 under the limit, thats the fools that stop 4-5 car lengths from the car in front and stop you from getting into that turning lane! GRRRRRR!

[MBS206]

The funny thing is, three years ago when they were everywhere no one cared, now that they've stopped using them and want to bring them back, it's a huge shame?

And it will also free up police resources to do other jobs, which everyone keeps screaming the police should be doing... Yet now you're all crying that the police will be able to free up resources...

And I think this will do good, I hope they put plenty of these out, I spend nearly every minute of the time I drive wishing there was a copper around... People are always speeding past me 10 and 20 kays over. I'm sick of these speeding morons!

[dont_ask]

i guess people dont want fines and are being extra careful, i know there are some that take it to extreme and drive slooow but how things look for nsw it will be worse that in vic.

To be honest I don't mind paying the fine its just the demerit point that is ticking me off. Honestly money lost can be regain by working. I don't want to lose my license for speeding just little over the limit 4 times with these stupid cameras.

Like anyone on this forum if you lose your license and you get it back and when you buy comprehensive insurance on your car its more expensive then if you haven't lost your licenses Correct? (Prove me if I am wrong! Which I doubt!).

Which means more money for insurance companies and more money for the stupid government because of the fine. Less time on the road for us correct? If I am really wrong someone honestly prove it to me.

Lets just say I got one speeding ticket because of a careless mistake. I need to wait 3 years to get back three point which is stupid. If you lose your license you lose it for 3 months. These stupid laws are just so pathetic and stupid.

[Shell]

We've had them here for years....... ours are in big fck-off white vans, and you can't booked until you're pretty close. Not hard to avoid really

And yeah, every moron around you freaks out and drops to 20 under... every. single. time. Drives me mental!

[Aggroman]

i love the old FBI vans in canberra..

[MBS206]

To be honest I don't mind paying the fine its just the demerit point that is ticking me off. Honestly money lost can be regain by working. I don't want to lose my license for speeding just little over the limit 4 times with these stupid cameras.

Like anyone on this forum if you lose your license and you get it back and when you buy comprehensive insurance on your car its more expensive then if you haven't lost your licenses Correct? (Prove me if I am wrong! Which I doubt!).

Which means more money for insurance companies and more money for the stupid government because of the fine. Less time on the road for us correct? If I am really wrong someone honestly prove it to me.

Lets just say I got one speeding ticket because of a careless mistake. I need to wait 3 years to get back three point which is stupid. If you lose your license you lose it for 3 months. These stupid laws are just so pathetic and stupid.

You might need to read your road rules again but under 10 over is only one point.

Secondly read the insurance thread, some people posted findings about speeding fines affecting premiums etc...

Ps, the government gets no extra money off insurance companies then if you spend your money at a fish and chip shop...