Mobile Speed Cameras

[GTR-N1]

If the camera is taken out of the eye of the driver, the driver is out of the eye of the camera...

These cameras are right on the side, and on some on the front of/rear of the vehicles, MEANING the car has to sit out in a spot where it can get line of site on the offending vehicle.

Hence, if it has line of site on you, you have line of site on it.

^^^ This can and should be understood by everyone - and it's obvious!

Police make statements to this effect before long weekends.

But there is just one flaw; and it is this...

People who drive east into work...

People (the same ones) who drive west back home from work...

Cannot see a camera facing them (even in full view) whilst the sun is coming up or going down respectively.

The Police know this. The RTA know this. This ploy will be exploited.

So all people who head into Sydney (for example) from the west each morning & go home in the afternoon, need to be very wary of keeping under/at the speed limit whilst going into the sun. At anytime, be wary sure... ;but when driving into the sun, the speedo watching, is with vigilance.

[oweban]

^^^ This can and should be understood by everyone - and it's obvious!

Police make statements to this effect before long weekends.

But there is just one flaw; and it is this...

People who drive east into work...

People (the same ones) who drive west back home from work...

Cannot see a camera facing them (even in full view) whilst the sun is coming up or going down respectively.

The Police know this. The RTA know this. This ploy will be exploited.

So all people who head into Sydney (for example) from the west each morning & go home in the afternoon, need to be very wary of keeping under/at the speed limit whilst going into the sun. At anytime, be wary sure... ;but when driving into the sun, the speedo watching, is with vigilance.

Agree with you 100% Terry. Just sucks, as again, because it's harder to see you've got reduced visibility, then you'll have people watching their speedos more than the road. It's kind of a lose-lose situation there; it's more watching out for all the other idiot drivers out there.

[MBS206]

^^^ This can and should be understood by everyone - and it's obvious!

Police make statements to this effect before long weekends.

But there is just one flaw; and it is this...

People who drive east into work...

People (the same ones) who drive west back home from work...

Cannot see a camera facing them (even in full view) whilst the sun is coming up or going down respectively.

The Police know this. The RTA know this. This ploy will be exploited.

So all people who head into Sydney (for example) from the west each morning & go home in the afternoon, need to be very wary of keeping under/at the speed limit whilst going into the sun. At anytime, be wary sure... ;but when driving into the sun, the speedo watching, is with vigilance.

I've found before, that when I'm at these times of days, with the sun in my eyes, unable to see shit, the last thing you want to be doing is sitting on the speed limit because you can't see all that far in front of you anyway.

There's a spot I drive to from work, and at certain times of the year (Crossing from summer to winter and winter to summer) at 8:20 in the morning you come up a hill to have the sun in your eyes like you said.

Everyone does 40KM/H up it... It's an 80 zone...

[fatz]

i find when driving on a road if i glance down and see 100km/h generally if i stay at the same rev means it means have not sped up.. Funnily enough this technique works at all speeds on all other roads

Typically if i glance down and then accelerate i generally assume i have sped up

If I brake I assume I have slowed down

Crazy i know

Lol

my race car doesn’t have a Speedo..... I wonder if the above technique works on that one as well?

[MBS206]

i find when driving on a road if i glance down and see 100km/h generally if i stay at the same rev means it means have not sped up.. Funnily enough this technique works at all speeds on all other roads

Typically if i glance down and then accelerate i generally assume i have sped up

If I brake I assume I have slowed down

Crazy i know

Lol

my race car doesn’t have a Speedo..... I wonder if the above technique works on that one as well?

Well no it doesn't... Cause you can't glance down and see 100KM/H...

Also, yes this helps being able to glance at the gauge, and not (Like everyone in here seems to think) have to get an encyclopedia and then jump on google to find out what speed that needle is pointing at.

Also, not having a blaring sub going "doof doof doof" and not allowing you to hear road noise, engine noise, or the police sirens as the Ambulance is up your ass saying "GTFO OF MY WAY!!!"

[butch]

And all that these would be doing anyway is taking over the job of that police officer.

Have you been pinged by a copper in the last few years?

No?

Been done by a mobile speed camera 3 to 10 years ago?

No?

Nothing to worry about.

how is this gonna rule out you copping a fine .. i fail to see your point . cops on the northern beaches sit right back in peoples driveways , who's gonna argue with the 5'O'

[DAS KAMU]

Just saw 2 in QLD

Leading onto the gateway bridge either side there we 2 of these

work utes with canopys cameras in back driver in front working on laptop

they both had hazards on

i had no idea they were coming to QLD

[MBS206]

Just saw 2 in QLD

Leading onto the gateway bridge either side there we 2 of these

work utes with canopys cameras in back driver in front working on laptop

they both had hazards on

i had no idea they were coming to QLD

When I was in QLD 5 years ago they had these things!

[MBS206]

how is this gonna rule out you copping a fine .. i fail to see your point . cops on the northern beaches sit right back in peoples driveways , who's gonna argue with the 5'O'

Lets think about it for a minute...

They keep putting police cars in peoples driveways, hidden, and booking people right?

So that means, now that we're doing it with a camera on a car, suddenly you're going to get booked, for doing the same thing, on the same street, in the same place...

If you're not getting busted by the Po-Po now when they're hiding behind the bushes, you shouldn't be getting busted by the camera man hiding behind the bushes...

But considering all of the camera cars I've seen setup (Old, and new, NSW, ACT and QLD) they've never once been hidden behind trees or anything like HWP do, as they need more of a line of site...

Edit: Okay, so I'm going to try to make this clearer.

Think of it this way. I am going to remove every police officer thats hiding behind a tree with a radar gun that has to chase you down, with a police officer hiding behind a tree that just has to take your photo.

So, have you been done lately by any police officers with Radar guns? No. Then why would you suddenly get done by the one taking photos if they're at the same place, at the same time?

Or are you just annoyed now that they'll have a big white ford territory, with a sign at it saying "you're a moron if you just sped past me" and allowing police officers to now get on and do other police duties (Which every person on here bitches they should be doing rather then hiding behind a bush with a radat)

[oweban]

If they actually do remove HWY and replace with the vans, then it's obviously better (for the speeders, I guess) because it's a lot less sneaky.

However: If they run them in tandem... Again, if you're not speeding, you won't get caught

[MBS206]

Again, if you're not speeding, you won't get caught

OMG! Smartest comment yet!

Also, food for thought, did you know that most cars already factor in a 2 - 4 % over read on the speedo? IE, when it says 100, you're really only doing 98 - 96KM/H?

My Jazz, speedo on 120KM/H, I'm really only doing 112KM/H... Hence, if I'm in a 110zone, sitting my speedo on 110, even if I do creep to 115 on the speedo, I"M STILL SAFE!

[fatz]

there in no production car that under reads so people who say 5% variance are dreamimng

lol

[oweban]

I remember never knowing whether to trust my AVCR or my analogue speedo... Different speeds

[SHM17Y]

Yesterday I drove from Bowral to Canberra and back for work

on the way down I saw a hwy patrol, cop standing with radar gun, in a usual spot on the federal hwy

I then saw a hwy patrol pinning it northbound near eagle hawk obviously goin to book someone

then in Canberra I saw a mobile speed camera in a Vito van sitting in the middle of the medium strip plain as day

on my way home I saw an unmarked sitting in easy view at one of those cross over points in the medium strip, getting ppl as they sped through a roadwork section

then saw a hwy patrol pulling over a person heading southbound near goulburn

finally I saw a hwy patrol getting southbounders, he was hidden well back on the left hand side of the road getting people once they had passed him.

So I saw 6 cops and 4 different method of capturing speeders.

If you speed your going to get caught at some point

I also just came back from Melbourne and what i noticed down there was that 98% of the drivers travel at right on or just under the speed limit, I am assuming that this is because of the zero tollerence they have down there ( I found out about that the hard way) personally I found it easier to stick to the speed limit because everybody else was

[xGSiR]

Im pretty sure in about 4-5 years, they are going to start trying to avoid telling the locations of the mobile speed cameras, and even start hiding them.

[gizzmo]

Next will be stop sign camera's if you don't stop for 3seconds labour is a joke revenue revenue..

[Yeedogga]

Lets think about it for a minute...

If you're not getting busted by the Po-Po now when they're hiding behind the bushes, you shouldn't be getting busted by the camera man hiding behind the bushes...

A fair point, however consider this;

1. The new cameras will be able to catch and penalise more motorists than an equivalent Police Radar/Lidar operator setup in the same location. According to the RTA, the new cameras are capable of catching 6 drivers per second! That leaves a very small time frame for the device to detect vehicle speed, record the time, date and location and take a photo of the offending vehicle. No police operation could possibly operate in that time frame.

2. Police operators undergo training in order to be able to operate Radar/Lidar devices. There are rules and regulations which dictate how these devices must be used. I find it difficult to see how these cameras can be expected to operate effectively given that the operators are only required to park the car and set the camera up. These devices may produce an inaccurate speed reading if not setup correctly- any error could end up with an unfair infringement for the motorist.

It is revenue raising, plain and simple.

If you receive an infringement notice for one of these Mobile Speed Cameras and you have doubts about whether you were speeding, or wish to get some further information, PM me and I can point you in the right direction.

[GTR-N1]

If you receive an infringement notice for one of these Mobile Speed Cameras and you have doubts about whether you were speeding, or wish to get some further information, PM me and I can point you in the right direction.

^^^ Also noted with thanks on the "Traffic Lawyer List" thread

[Soft]

Hopefully all of you will find the following useful, a complete list of RTA NSW's new mobile speed camera locations:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/downl..._locations.html

Not to suggest that anyone here in particular speeds, but it's good to know where these new cameras are going to be lurking.

(on a side note this is my first post at SAU, thought i'd contribute something rather than a typical "hey i'm new here")

Edited July 19, 2010 by Soft

[Cassbo]

Another thing to note, I recall 7 news last night saying that there will only be 6 mobile speed cameras initially in operation for the entire state! Yep... I'm feeling the omnipresence