Incredibly Scary Experience.

[Harey]

Harey like I was controlling the rear tires fine when they were sinking down to accelerate. It was just when the auto transmission changed gear that the rear flung out. I think Silvia + Auto, = neever ever floor it in the wet, regardless of the tires, I've completely lost confidence.

What made it worse was the wheels being badly out of alignment, and worn down rear tires

Yeah no doubt the autos are tricky in the wet, if you have a good diff you simply power out of it. You just slowly take your foot off the throttle as the car gets straight.

Lots of the posts here are more to do with going around a corner and loosing the rear. If you are travelling in a straight line, you should be able to keep the power on, correct the steering and gradually get off the throttle as the car straightens up.

Lots of naughty people practice this on quiet private roads

[jrm]

Silvia Q are non-LSD aren't they?

[La Bomba]

Silvia Q are non-LSD aren't they?

Yes, non-Limited Slip Diff. not sure what that means but yeah

[Rekin]

When I went to a defensive driving course, they told me I should counter steer out of the slide. What is going to happen once you put on the brakes? The front end of the car is going to go down slightly and the rear of the car is going to maybe go a tad higher. Weight is going to transfer to the front of the car. Where are you going to have more weight and traction? The front of the car. Seems pretty counter intuitive to me.

That being said the best thing for people to do is a defensive driving course and not listen to people on the net. My instructor said you may be able to correct the oversteer on the skidpan, but in a lot of real life situations you don't have 4 lanes worth of road to correct it, and you can end up in a tree in real life when you run out of road.

Meh I'll listen to my instructor

Did a quick google, as simply put I find what your saying counter intuitive, if the car is starting to over steer or the rear tyres start to lose traction are you telling me I should just go on the brakes and not counter steer? What is that going to do? Like I said it seems to me if you brake mid corner, you are going to make the rear end light, lose even more traction on the rears and be rewarded with a continued slide and loss of control. I will always try and countersteer.

See below link. In anycase if people do want to learn what do I suggest they do take a defensive driving course.

I've also tried the brake theory out on the track, maybe I wasn't gently enough but I was rewarded with a continued spin.

http://www.drivingfast.net/car-control/oversteer.htm

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lol you are mentioning track racing techniques to a person who has never experienced oversteer. My comments/tips are directed towards the general driver who have no idea how to react/control any oversteer through counter-steering etc.

For a person who has never experienced controlling a car through a slide, the safest and easiest method is to jump on the brakes. You cannot explain counter-steer and power-out over the internet and last thing we want is people trying it when they cross up on the street.

Hence it is advisable to do a driver training course where they show and teach you the difference between jumping on the brakes, and then applying counter steering. (As done by Driver Dynamics on the Split Lane surface braking)

Yes, you could come out better by counter-steering but I'll be telling my mum to jump on the brakes when her commodore starts to step out, not to counter steer and power out.

The people who have done defensive driving would be aware of the differences in jumping on brakes and counter steering, but its something you need to experiment safely first hand instead of reading tips off the internet.

Comprehendei?

[La Bomba]

lol you are mentioning track racing techniques to a person who has never experienced oversteer. My comments/tips are directed towards the general driver who have no idea how to react/control any oversteer through counter-steering etc.

For a person who has never experienced controlling a car through a slide, the safest and easiest method is to jump on the brakes. You cannot explain counter-steer and power-out over the internet and last thing we want is people trying it when they cross up on the street.

Hence it is advisable to do a driver training course where they show and teach you the difference between jumping on the brakes, and then applying counter steering. (As done by Driver Dynamics on the Split Lane surface braking)

Yes, you could come out better by counter-steering but I'll be telling my mum to jump on the brakes when her commodore starts to step out, not to counter steer and power out.

The people who have done defensive driving would be aware of the differences in jumping on brakes and counter steering, but its something you need to experiment safely first hand instead of reading tips off the internet.

Comprehendei?

But i was just going in a straight line? I thought oversteer only occured during corneres?

[Ten Four]

^Mate BS.

I've driven my sisters NA Auto S13 many times in the wet, foot floor etc its fine. Just get some tyres on it.

^Has michelin pilot sports. No slide at all

[La Bomba]

^Mate BS.

I've driven my sisters NA Auto S13 many times in the wet, foot floor etc its fine. Just get some tyres on it.

^Has michelin pilot sports. No slide at all

How much do those cost a tire?

And ten four i did floor it in a straight line its no bs, the car badly pulls to the left and the left tire is most badly worn, and let me tell yu it was pising down.

thats why it shocked me so bad wen the rear slipped out.

Edited July 26, 2010 by La Bomba

[Ten Four]

Got them 2nd hand in near new condition at a mates shop (they were a trade in on a new wheel/tyre package)

I believe they are about $150 a pop in 205/55/16.

I've floored it going around a corner and it will only just break out but easily controllable.

[La Bomba]

Got them 2nd hand in near new condition at a mates shop (they were a trade in on a new wheel/tyre package)

I believe they are about $150 a pop in 205/55/16.

I've floored it going around a corner and it will only just break out but easily controllable.

hmmm okay....will be a bit more as I run 225 tires. it costs a lot of money to maintain a car i now realise.

[Ten Four]

Wont be too much more. Ebay can be a good source if you can pick them up locally as prices are cheaper... What profile and rim height are you running?

[LANDSCRIBBLE]

lol you are mentioning track racing techniques to a person who has never experienced oversteer. My comments/tips are directed towards the general driver who have no idea how to react/control any oversteer through counter-steering etc.

For a person who has never experienced controlling a car through a slide, the safest and easiest method is to jump on the brakes. You cannot explain counter-steer and power-out over the internet and last thing we want is people trying it when they cross up on the street.

Hence it is advisable to do a driver training course where they show and teach you the difference between jumping on the brakes, and then applying counter steering. (As done by Driver Dynamics on the Split Lane surface braking)

Yes, you could come out better by counter-steering but I'll be telling my mum to jump on the brakes when her commodore starts to step out, not to counter steer and power out.

The people who have done defensive driving would be aware of the differences in jumping on brakes and counter steering, but its something you need to experiment safely first hand instead of reading tips off the internet.

Comprehendei?

+1 advanced driving training

-1 powering out of oversteer at high speed in pissing rain, in an auto, with bald tyres...

[Kinks]

Any time my R33 has done something unexpected in the rain, all i ever do is lift off the throttle gently and it pretty much stops doing what it was doing.

This. Anyone who reckons an inexperienced driver should keep the power on and steer into a slide is an absolute idiot, you should not be giving advice sorry to be blunt but SHUT UP NOW. I have personally seen it happen with someone I was following get out of shape, try to catch it, try to catch it again and the tank slapper just got bigger and bigger because he kept his foot on the throttle. Wrote the car off half a second later.

When dealing with oversteer you have to do 2 things.

1) Counter-steer so that you reduce the slide angle a bit

2) Remove the influence that caused the slide

This normally means turn the wheel into the slide about 45 degrees and get off the throttle. Don't wind on fistfuls of lock you will just make it snap back. And if you are in over your head and you're about to spin the safest thing is ALWAYS to slam on the brakes as hard as you can and keep them on until the car stops. If you try and catch a slide and fail you'll go spearing off in a random direction and that's much more dangerous than spinning out in the direction you were originally going and coming to a stop.

Also La Bomba, get new tyres. Even "just legal" tyres have lost most of their wet grip you are on borrowed time. Oversteer happens any time the rear wheels lose grip, some FWD cars will oversteer when braking INTO a corner.

[Jdfnq]

+ 11ty for advanced driving course......

Should be something that EVERYONE does before he or she even gets a licence....

Should be law imho.... Too many clowns get behind the wheel of their first (high powered) car and crash them

[Mayuri Krab]

My car has traction problems in the wet as well.

Both times it happened just accelerating in a straight line:

1) Was accelerating from the lights used about ~40% throttle, came on boost & the rear wheels started to lose traction.

2) Car was already in 3rd gear & already doing ~50km/h with only ~15% throttle, put the foot down to about 28% throttle (SAFC 2 showed this) auto box didn't kick down to 2nd, but the car came on boost & I could feel the rear wheels losing traction as the back end of the car was pulling to wards left.

Both of the times, I just lifted off the throttle & steered a bit in the opposite direction & the car fixed itself up. Now My lesson learned from those 2 incident is to never hit boost when its raining.

I now drive like an 80 year old granny when it rains & haven't had any problems since.

[Samon]

As many have said - TIRES make a world of difference in the wet...

I had some fairly worn (not unroadworthy, but getting down) Falkens on the back of the 33 for a while, and it made the car a real handful to drive in the wet... to the point I wouldn't let anyone else drive it in the wet at all. I was once completely 'owned' by a guy in a Rodeo at the traffic lights, as I simply couldn't accelerate any harder or I'd loose traction when the boost came on. It really wasn't a fun car to drive in the wet.

I was a little strapped for cash at the time, so I put a set of cheap Pirelli Dragons (I think they were only around $220 per corner for 245/40/17) on... and wow. It became a totally different car. Traction through all the gears (unless you go stupid of course), stuck to the road like glue through the corners, and overall just became a much better car to drive.

[MEKTIK]

Get some tyres from tempe tyres, They are cheap and can send them out to you if you live inerstate.

[mad082]

ok a few things.

1: it wasn't aquaplaning, it was just plain wheelspin caused by dodgy tyres and possibly some contaminant on the road or even a man hole cover and having the accelerator floored.

2: the reason it went sideways (even though you were driving straight) probably had little to do with the wheel alignment and more to do with the diff and any camber in the road

3: jumping on the brakes is the worst thing you can do when a car is sideways. the best thing to do is to simply lift off the accelerator. it has very little to do with weight transfer, etc, but more to do with the fact that the front wheels have traction and the rears don't, so if you apply the brakes when the arse is hanging out then the front of the car will slow down and the rear of the car will simply overtake the front and you'll end up pointing the wrong way. watch topgear, etc and you will hear them talking about lift off oversteer on the fwd cars. it is the same principle. have the weight shifting in the car sideways then lift off the accelerator resulting in a braking force being applied to the front wheels but not the rear and the rear will step out.

[Mr Eps]

^^^ how did i know that was a "10th post" post.

anyway

(sorry to go tangent again but we seriously need to do something about the noobs getting their 10 posts up - there need to be a beeter system this is ridiculous!)

anyway speaking of "incredibly scary experience"

today i was going to work - i work at the top of a sharp hill, to get to my parking area there's a non-traffic lighted intersection - at the top of a hill (blind crests both sides)

anyway

i'm stopped - no traffic in sight, i cross the busy road, then as i'm halfway through it i see a campry heading toward me at about 80 or 90++km/h

i floored my car pretty hard to get across

if i had less power - i'd have been cleaned up for sure! luckily, i can just apply acceleration when things get dangerous!

[Mr Eps]

oh i get it... la bomba breaks traction a little bit on a straight n gets three pages of discussion

Mr Eps nearly dies from a speeding close shave Tbone accident and nobody cares.

i see how it is.

[bozodos]

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