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[No Crust Racing]

Yeh, i am saying. If you want to bin the S13, i think an R33 GTS25t is a damn good platform for 1/2 - 1/3 the price of a GTR

Ahh I get you, this leads into my response for the quote below...

lets face it, which ever platform you buy to modify to race your going to spend more than the purchase price of the car on mods in the end over the years so ive always said make sure you get what you want and dont compromise on the platform choice as the last thing you want is to want to upgrade to a gtr or something in 2 years after forking out 10-15k in mods on a S14 or whatever. Start with what you want and it might take longer to get where you want it but it will be exactly what you want as a total package.

So basically that means gtr gives you the option of 2wd or 4wd (for when you make more power after the rebuild ), better aftermarket support overall, better resale value in the future, more potential, etc

Thats my 2c worth

This sounds like me to a tee. I want to do what is "smrt" and not spend too much money for the given lap time, but in the end I keep coming back to wanting another GT-R. The only part of that I'm concerned about is down the track if/when I decide to get a bit more serious, tarmac rally, door to door or something. I know at that point I'll have to ditch it as a streeter but am I going to run into any other headaches having chosen the R?

i reckon you can get an s14/s15 going quicker then most GTR's, there is quiet a large improvement in times ATM in these cars and it's only starting to scratch the surface.

The one thing quicker would be an EVO but that just sucks.

Matt

This is an interesting comment, I think what you mean is faster for the same money or do you mean go faster for less money? I also think there's probably more people campaigning S-Chassis due to cost savings and the lighter chassis.

Sidebar: Was there ever a GT500 class S chassis?

[Roy]

I am with Matt/boxheadmr 1000%. I suck behind the wheel and with a spanner too much to be able to demonstrate what I have been trying to do with SAU-Vic re lap times. Matt came down here last year and in bad conditions lapped his S14 as quick as many of the developed and serious GTRs down here...at his first go! That is 5 seconds quicker then my first and only proper run at PI. So look at the good examples of rwd cars, they are out there...but not as common as good, well sorted GTRs. They get all the limelight at the track so people assunme its the only way to go. I ts a good way to go, but not only

The fact that my crappy times still rank in the top few of rwd SAU-Vic means that most serious folk punt GTRs, as my times are ok...but still well off what they should be.

I say faster for less money. But at the end of the day you are going to be limtied by whether you still want to drive it as a daily on the road, and how much you want to spend to get that small difference in speed between say a 1:20 at Sandown and a 1:34 at Winton....to a 1:18 at Sandown and a 1:32 at Winton. The difference in what you will need to spend will be a hell of a lot....you will have to have the ability behind the wheel to really hustle the car along....and then its all for crap anyway as you are so limited by how quick you can reasonably go on semis. Throw slicks on the think and you will be going so much quicker for far less extremem mods....

But times are only part of it....it sounds like you want a GTR. So just buy a GTR and be done with it. There are so many, many variables other then base car....so jsut get started and have some fun.

[unique1]

i dont have much experience with gtr vs gtst debates but i think with a gtr you can make it the same as a gtst if you like, but cant make a gtst like a gtr. In the gtr chuck a 2wd sump on the motor, take out the front driveshafts and rip out the attessa pumps and its 2wd the same as a gtst, even put in a rb25 box if you want to save the extra weight or cut of the tf case and remove internals. The benefit is wider gaurds, ally bonnet and guards, chassis allows for 4wd if you want to run it in the future if you go all out on the motor combo. So many people say ohh i only want 400hp etc and then the motor lets go and next minute they build a forged setup and wack on a 600rwhp capable turbo and then wish 4wd was an option. Well thats from my personal experience.

different horses for different courses i suppose they say!

[No Crust Racing]

Hard to know how big a statement that is without knowing what the S14 has done to it and how well trained the driver is vs the GT-R's that were there, but I see the point you're making.

I think for me... in the end.. if I don't go GT-R I will always be left wanting.

[Roy]

Thats your decision then

But, boxheadmr can no doubt steer. But isnt that the point? You build a car and over time your ability to punt them thing to its optimum is realised? The driver IS the biggest variable in the mix. And the VIC GTR guys are all experience and good punters, with the cars I am talking about have between 330-370rwkws, good suspension, 265/18 semis, modded transfer cases and diffs, big 6 pot fronts and 4 pot rears. The typical time they run at PI is in the 1:45-1:47 window. The guys who have that little bit more engine and less grey matter are in the 44s at PI.

If boxheadmr wants to post what his car is then he can. But from what i undertand its a std SR20 with cams and GT-RS making about 235rwkws, has Bilstein shocks and is semi stripped with a cage...also runs some generic Endless knock off brakes. The thing does have a blister pack and a neat body givign it extra track, and looks as though its had weight taken out, but then has a cage so not sure of overall weight. The GTRs are mostly street trim

That I am sure is a gross generalisation as all the cars have far more done them then the above, but thats the brush strokes as i see it

If its a road car that you want to pot around in and enjoy the occasional track day or spirted drive in then the GTR is hard to go past. If its biased towards track work I think the rwd platforms have merit.

LOL, I will shut up now as i am a bit of a scratched record when it comes to standing up for rwds... hourses for courses and I have said my piece

[FloydWestwood]

Yep, it sounds like your desperate for a GTR, even though all arrows point to S-chassis. Just get the GTR.

[No Crust Racing]

Already sounds like I'm gonna cop it lol

With what you were saying Roy, that idea kills me. The concept of needing 350-370awkw to run similar lap times to an S14 with 235rwkw (when from what i know the SR would do that on a good stock bottom end but the GT-R would not).

Which is why I get torn =\

[Roy]

Already sounds like I'm gonna cop it lol

With what you were saying Roy, that idea kills me. The concept of needing 350-370awkw to run similar lap times to an S14 with 235rwkw (when from what i know the SR would do that on a good stock bottom end but the GT-R would not).

Which is why I get torn =\

370rwkws GTR will pull away from a 235rwkws SR20. Depending on reponse of course

But what i can tell you is a built RB26 with GT-SS in an R33 running 330rwkws will not get away from a 235rwkws RB20 GTSt running a laggy TD06. A 260rwkws RB20 slowly caught up the same GTR on the straight of PI, up to about 230km/h where the GTR pulled away a little. At Sandown I have been able to keep up with 330-350rwkw GTRs down the straights in my car. Where i forfeit time is onto the straight where they nail 2nd gear and light up all 4 corners and rocket onto the straight they grab a few car lengths. Onto straights like at PI and EC I dont think they jump onto the straight any better.

...arrgh, shit, I cant shut up can i...this time

[No Crust Racing]

Wow, that's the sort of thing I'm talking about and to an extent I have even seen it in my car. I rounded a stock standard Evo X at Winton in the big left handed sweeper with less power simply due to weight and semi slicks. All that for a fraction of the cost =\

I know you're the minister of RB20 propaganda, and I've seen Russells 32 in action also.... and it just makes it that much harder lol.

Weight seems to be a big factor, what are people getting their GT-R's down too?

[phunky_monkey]

Sidebar: Was there ever a GT500 class S chassis?

No, there was only a GT300 S chassis.

Also, one of the quickest cars around Tsukuba is a privately owned S15, running 55's:

This thread is rekindling my love for the S chassis.

[No Crust Racing]

Chassis prolly couldn't handle 500hp

It's just making me want a GT-R more lol

[phunky_monkey]

Haha we'll see about that!

[No Crust Racing]

If you end up running 500hp at the crank in the 180 I bags a ride at the next DECA/Track day I see you at, promise I will wear two pairs of undies.

[phunky_monkey]

If it doesn't have 500hp at the crank then it's going in the bin

[No Crust Racing]

If it doesn't have 500hp at the crank then I'm giving it to you ActionDan

Fixed - No worries

[phunky_monkey]

You can buy it if you want!

[No Crust Racing]

I suppose that's only fair, give you $50 and a slab lol

[badhairdave]

If it doesn't have 500hp at the crank then it's going in the bin

I'll make sure i strategically place a bin out the front of your house in the next fortnight....

yum, scorch s15. pig ugly, silly quick. A perfect s chassis IMHO

[phunky_monkey]

I suppose that's only fair, give you $50 and a slab lol

Haha make it 10k for the bare engine and you have yourself a deal!

Oh, and the slab too.

I'll make sure i strategically place a bin out the front of your house in the next fortnight....

yum, scorch s15. pig ugly, silly quick. A perfect s chassis IMHO

I will be sure to drop it into the ocean so it never bothers anyone again

Awesome car and awesome times, love it! So menacing...

[Russman]

I haven't read this thread much except the first post but here's a comparison.

Ant (Ant97GTR) and I were at winton last weekend and we were both doing the same lap times. low 1min35's.

Powerwise I'm about 230 and he's 280 or something.

Both had worn semi's (his were a worse)

Both have good suspension and mild brake upgrades.

Both had fun.

Check out the vids in the vic events thread.

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Wi...40&start=40

Cost wise there would be a big difference. 32 GTST = 10k ish, 33 GTR = 22k ish...

Upgrade wise I'm sure mine would have been cheaper as GTR stuff charges a premium because of the badge.

The comparisons are weight vs cost I think.

A light rear wheel drive will be cheaper because of tyres, brakes, suspension, fuel etc

You will have fun in both. My pic would be an S14 platform.