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[Russman]

How about I sell you my street GTR and my track/rally 32/ The perfect garage! I even have a trailer for you.... can you say.... PACKAGE DEAL!?!?!

[unique1]

so from the opinions it seems big power the gtr is a benefit and if lower power then its not worth carrying the extra weight and costs.

So what power can a 2wd chassis handle comfortably and get power down around a track before traction becomes an issue on semi slicks? 350rwkw+ i assume would be better in a 4wd chassis?

[No Crust Racing]

I think the point is more so that in an lighter car you wont need 350rwkw to turn the same lap time as a GT-R with that much power and you'll have spent less money.

As much as I hate it, those are the cold hard facts.

[unique1]

I know what your saying, but what if the engine combo is capable of that without reliability issues, then im sure running 250rwkw is only gonna cut it for so long when you know its got alot more in it. Whatever you have power wise its never enough in my opinion after a while, unless lag becomes an issue which isnt until over 450kw + range. I remember when 200rwkw felt quick and now i think 350kw is alright, and 450kw is fast but depends what your used to i suppose.

A gtst gets to a point power wise where the gtr is going to start having an advantage, im just asking at what power level in a gtst is too much to use it effectively?

[No Crust Racing]

I get ya, this should be an interesting turn in the discussion...

[nismoman]

Keep it simple, you already have one of the best budget racing platforms:

1. Keep the S13, convert to SR, or mod the CA18DET to 200-250rwkw's.

2. Convert to 5 stud

3. Get some big fat wheels and fill those guards with as much good semi slick tyre

4. Go out and blitz it with a smile on your dial!

5. Keep modding it until it's totally off tits and then when you're old and grey and can't get in and out of the thing from bad arthritis

Or, sell the S13 and buy an S14 if you couldn't be stuff modding your S13 more.

Edited July 29, 2010 by nismoman

[No Crust Racing]

Won't be keeping this, as I mentioned. I also want to be able to drive it on the weekends occasionally and no offense to S13 lovers, but this car isn't good for much else besides thrashing on the track. Later model S-Chassis maybe but they're just not for me as a street car.

[Roy]

Here is the thing about rwd. I actually love the tad lazier power delivery of the Trust turbos. The hit of power and torque is a little softer then with the ball bearing oh-ahh turbos (IMO) which makes them easier to drive on the throttle.

So rather then look at a power figure where rwd becomes a limiting factor, consider the torque characteristics of the engine. (Another reason why i rate the RB20, they can still make 420hp or so and dont turn tyres like the bigger RBs) Also consider that if you are going to bigger cc RB engines, consider the diff ratio you are using. If you have the torque, then use it to your advantage and gear the car so that you are not frying tyres or forever changing gears.

Also re traction, the usual diff, and quality of suspension gets called into question. So something decent normally suffices. But to me if driving a rwd car then pay attention to how the pros drive them. They use higher gears almost everywhere to what people expect. You may not have that instant hit of power on exit, but the ability to settle the car mid corner helps you carry corner speed and the less aggressive final drive using the taller gear means you are on the loud pedal spooling up the turbo and not on-off with wheelspin and oppo lock. I think all too often people are jumping on the loud pedal in their rwd cars at the same point as the EVO and GTR boys who are trying to make up for the fact that they are normally slower accross the face of the corner. You just need to be more patient in a rwd car

Remember that most Nissan rwd cars weigh less then GT3 Pokas, which make about 230-250rwkws (typically from what i have seen) Sure Dynamically and chassis wise the Porka is in a different league and rear engine helps their rwd traction....but pays to remember 350rwkws is truly a buck load of power with very few exotic cars making that power.

[SRS13]

I love the S13 but would prefer the S14/15. Bang for buck all the S cars are brilliant.

However it sounds like you have your heart set on a GTR so just buy one. You can always sell it

It seems like the only thing stopping you is your ego! Leave that at the door cause no matter what car you get there is always someone faster.

Edited July 29, 2010 by SRS13

[No Crust Racing]

Ego went out the door a long time ago, it's more a case of the $$. Like most of us, I'm not rich and I do my own work to keep costs down so the appeal of an S-Chassis is obvious, hence starting with one.

Damn money...

[FloydWestwood]

So at this stage Dan, are you still 50/50?

[No Crust Racing]

Hah, Pretty much because I can see good reason in both points of view.

I've love the lightness and cheapness of the S13 and there is something to be said for going along to a track day and being just .2 of a second off an M5 that's only a couple of years old, we all know it's a super heavy GT style car but it's expensive and it's got power so I got a buzz from that. At the same time he got in that M5 and cruised home like he'd been out for a Sunday drive, gotta appreciate that.

On the other hand, I loved my GT-R but part of that was that I'd bought it modified and didn't have it quite long enough to ever have any major dramas with it, that and it was only mild tune 250awkw so not heaps should go wrong at that power. Sure I had to put some AFM's on it, common issue, and the parts cost for service items weren't awesome (because I wanted to treat it right). But the fun I had on the track tangling with much lesser powered WRX's coupled with driving it to work from time to time just to hear it scream down the on ramp was hard to match, I don't get that same feeling from the Silvia but it's a "dirty track car". At the same time, pulling into the pits, I thought, how the hell does a 2000 model WRX with only 160-170awkw keep up with my car on the straights. I've got 2 more cylinders, an extra turbo and this car new cost literally 3 times as much as the WRX. The answer of course is weight. My car wasn't that much more expensive than his at the time so it wasn't too bad and I did over take him so I at least felt justified in my GT-R ownership.

It really is a tough one and when the time comes it will likely depend on what's around, what frame of mind I'm in and how much money I have to play with. No doubt the S14 option is much cheaper in basically every way, but It's not the sort of car I see myself taking for a weekend cruise so it should be cheaper as it'll be performing one less function for me. Some people might not get that but with the exception of the S15, I don't see Silvia's as great streeters, they're a bit small and a bit coarse. That's a personal thing though as I've taken my antics off the street now so I don't want something quite so raw for sunday cruising.

[Russman]

Buy a GTR. It's what you want.

[No Crust Racing]

Sounds that way huh

[phunky_monkey]

Buy a GTR. It's what you want.

Agreed!

Despite all of this RWD love going on here I have to say that Jack's (JAGR33) 33 GT-R is still the nicest feeling car I've ever driven, so if you're happy with the budget then get what you want.

[emtea]

ok I have a stupid question that has been bothering me for the last couple of days reading this thread...

is it possible (and legal?) to tow a track car with an R33 GTR?   I was thinking that you could ditch your falcon tow car, ditch the rego on the s13, and have a nice street car while keeping your budget track car...

[No Crust Racing]

I can't see why it wouldn't be legal, but putting a tow pack on a GT-R seems criminal... It'd be an expensive tow car too fuel and service costs wise.

To add to the GT-R expense.. I would need a the next rated tow pack up to tow the GT-R behind the Fairmont =\ I only have the standard 1600kg pack, would need the 2300kg pack for an GT-R.

Edited July 30, 2010 by ActionDan

[Marlin]

You could never legally tow a car and trailer with a 33 GTR, or any GTR.

[No Crust Racing]

Really? what's the legality of it Marlin, just out of curiosity.

[emtea]

Thanks Marlin, I thought that would be the case...

Curse you ActionDan, this whole thread has pointed out to me that I simply can't afford to track my R32 GT-R (which currently has a broken RB26 in it) on my modest income. I sympathize with your heart vs head conundrum