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Regarding that white R33 for 55k, I asked him a couple of questions and got these replies

> Hey mate,

>

> I'm in no position to buy your car, but I was hoping you might answer

> some questions for me as I'm looking to build a GT-R in a similar

> fashion.

>

> What did you get the weight down to?

> How streetable is the car still?

> How much do you estimate you've spent on it?

> What power does it make and what did your engine setup set you back?

> Would you biuld another GT-R knowing what you know now?

> What are you replacing this with?

>

> Cheers

>

> Dan

Hi Dan

weight 1460

very streetable as setup for tarmac rallies

over $ 150 k

power 330 kw at the wheels with n1 turbos

i have a 32 gtr set for the track only and as the cost of the 33 was over $150k (NO)

v8 supercar

thanks jason

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Regarding that white R33 for 55k, I asked him a couple of questions and got these replies

> Hey mate,

>

> I'm in no position to buy your car, but I was hoping you might answer

> some questions for me as I'm looking to build a GT-R in a similar

> fashion.

>

> What did you get the weight down to?

> How streetable is the car still?

> How much do you estimate you've spent on it?

> What power does it make and what did your engine setup set you back?

> Would you biuld another GT-R knowing what you know now?

> What are you replacing this with?

>

> Cheers

>

> Dan

Hi Dan

weight 1460

very streetable as setup for tarmac rallies

over $ 150 k

power 330 kw at the wheels with n1 turbos

i have a 32 gtr set for the track only and as the cost of the 33 was over $150k (NO)

v8 supercar

thanks jason

Boom, cost reality check!

ps I'm pretty impressed with my guesstimation now :bunny:

With all this yapping you coulda built a bloody cool GTS-t by now and already be out there enjoying it :bunny:

Gtst is a much better choice than a S car, doesn't bend like a banana, and is doesn't have a SR20 to fly to peices.

The ex White's R34 (Genuine N1) was a bargain beside those R33's (with the exception of the Tassie N1)....... yes it needed some sorting but as an investment, walked over them. Has some good stuff on it too.

That's the one that surge bought. Only seen it once at Sandown.

Why did you need a big brake kit, how soon were you running out of brakes and why? From what speeds etc, I'm surprised to know that the factory calipers aren't that good if you had some slotted rotors, good pads and fluid plus some ducting?

Like Jack said. 300kw's is about the max for standard brembos. If there's a place you want overkill it's brakes. Eg I'm going to 356mm rotors soon in my light car but I expect everything will not wear out as quick being bigger and better.

I guess you have to be happy at the end of the day but for me if a car that's already built and had all the money spent on it with proven results at the track, how can it get better than that??? Personally there's no substitute for experience and if the car has been built by a reputable workshop it's worth every cent...

Again my 2c of course.... :bunny:

I agree totally.

Boom, cost reality check!

I know... ouch!

I think that's too much personally.

I was talking to another SAU member who has competed successfully in Tarmac Rally and he has aspirations of going 33 GT-R also, he was talking more like 80-90 and he doesn't do things by halves.

At 55k, that car is a steal.

Who wants to go halves I could use a Nav...

That would be awesome, as would one of the myriad of GT3 cup cars for sale (for as little as 65k!), but upkeep would be monstrous. :D

I was initially trying to find a 355 to race, but having a talk to my mech friend who works for ferrari i was shock at the cost. 10k for a timing belt change plus water pumps and its needed aboit every 10-20k km and its not really at homw job as the engine has to come out.

However the good thing about the 355 is it doesnt use the autobox

Like Jack said. 300kw's is about the max for standard brembos. If there's a place you want overkill it's brakes. Eg I'm going to 356mm rotors soon in my light car but I expect everything will not wear out as quick being bigger and better.

Just be careful you aren't going backwards.

My S13 when still NA had to have pads that worked from cold as it could not keep temp in the brakes due to low straight line speed and high corner speed. That was with gtr sumitomos and later 34 gtt sumi's

I expect you will be in a similar situation as you will be well over braked

Just be careful you aren't going backwards.

My S13 when still NA had to have pads that worked from cold as it could not keep temp in the brakes due to low straight line speed and high corner speed. That was with gtr sumitomos and later 34 gtt sumi's

I expect you will be in a similar situation as you will be well over braked

endless ccrg are good for that 50 to 800 degress. But then do like to eat disc

I joined team underdog when I bought this CA18 S13 :D

I expected Baron or Snowy to chime in with some GT-R love...

What I "want" is a GT-R that doesn't get caught by lesser powered cars and that doesn't cost 50% more to build :blink:

lol, sorry I've been absent. well I just was about to buy a GTR in japan. it had 2.8l HKS step 2 engine, HKS V-cam, 34 box and transfer, big brakes all round, 2530s, about 600 hp and good suspension and I reckon it would take a pretty fancy GTST to keep up with it. the only downside is cost. to do all that to a GTR you are well into $100,000 territroy. even to buy one already done you are talking around $40K+ for a good one. on the other hand a well sorted GTST can be had under $20K and a really top shelf built circuit GTST somewhere in the $20K range. so yeah the top shelf GTR does sadly cost double the top shelf GTST.

Having said that I love my GTRs. I've owned about 10 of them and loved them all for one reason or another. one of them I've kept for nearly 8 years which is pretty good. I've also owned every model from 32 to 35 and have had standard ones and heavily modified ones. In that time I've had a few other cars too. i've still got an S13 silvia with 230rwkw and lots of gear that I like and i've had an S15, a modified FD RX7 and a 32 GTST so I do love the RWD cars too.

they all have their strong points. value for money a GTST or S14 is always going to give you better fun per dollar than a GTR. they are just so much easier on brakes and tyres. but a GTR does have that certain 'something' about it that makes them hard to refuse. and they are great fun to drive hard.

purchase price is not a big deal. in the end it will pale in comparison to what you spend on mods and consumables to keep a track habit going.

Or stick with a perfectly good (cheap) RB25.

Unless you have a spare RB26 lying around I see no reason at all to go RB26. Except maybe arguably better exhaust note.

yes I do love the RB26 exhaust note, though with the right exhaust etc I reckon the RB20 sounds as good. not a fan of the 25 for some reason though. but the 20 and 26 are music to my ears. :D

I just need stack of cash then I can have a street GT-R and a track car as something else.

You know you're killing me on the inside with your informed opinions and cavalier attitude lol

this is the correct solution. keep the GTR as a 'fun' street car with the odd track day every once in a while and for serious track stuff by a go kart, or a alfa GTV 2l, or a S14, or an escort, or a 1600, basically anything cheap, light RWD and most importantly purpose built for 100% track use.

I guess you have to be happy at the end of the day but for me if a car that's already built and had all the money spent on it with proven results at the track, how can it get better than that??? Personally there's no substitute for experience and if the car has been built by a reputable workshop it's worth every cent...

Again my 2c of course.... :huh:

seriously that car for $50 something K is a good buy. The bloke saying it cost $150k to build I have no doubt is even conservative. sure you can do similar for $80-$90k if doing a lot of stuff yourself but having a car built at a top workshop you are talking $100 an hour and it doesn't take long for those hours to start piling up.

For $50 odd K you get a very well sorted package with good brakes, well built engine package, very nice cage and all the other little bits and pieces. if you are seriously thinking about building a tarmac/circuit R33 GTR you'd be crazy not to buy that car or at least try to. you will see $50K dissapear very quickly on a buiild. $25K on the car and $12K for your big Ap or Alcon brake kit takes you to $37K which leaves $13K to buy a cage and seats and some wheels. now you still need to start the engine and dirveline and suspension and all the other work.

buying a car already done or nearly done is a BIG money saver providing the car you buy was done right.

You're not wrong Richard. There's a certain satisfaction to be had from building a car from stock exactly how you would like it, but that can be a satisfaction that is severley overshadowed by the outlandish costs required to get a car to these sorts of preperation levels. If I was smarter than I am that's what I would have done!

Hey Baron, welcome aboard the debt express.

I think in the end, if I don't do a GT-R I will always just want another one no matter what track car I build.

So I'll wait and when the time comes I'll try and find a sorted one, I know enough to realise that 40-50k is a steal for some of the cars getting around for that money.

At least then I'll be happy I went GT-R, and if it's not fast enough I'm sure money can fix that.

Just be careful you aren't going backwards.

My S13 when still NA had to have pads that worked from cold as it could not keep temp in the brakes due to low straight line speed and high corner speed. That was with gtr sumitomos and later 34 gtt sumi's

I expect you will be in a similar situation as you will be well over braked

Well I'm currently running 310mm GTT with 230kws. I'm going to 300ish kw's so for tracks like sandown I'll be up about 40k/h at the end of the straights. I won't be going super hot pads either.

yes I do love the RB26 exhaust note, though with the right exhaust etc I reckon the RB20 sounds as good. not a fan of the 25 for some reason though. but the 20 and 26 are music to my ears. :huh:

Agree.

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