Pros & Cons Of R34 Gtr ?

[smithers]

Im considering a 34gtr at the end of the year. It will be a weekend car ill plan on keeping a long time. What is good and bad about them?

I hear they are pretty slow stock and need basic mods to wake them up, is this true? What sort of power figures and 1/4 times are easily attainable?

Will they hold value?

Ive had an evo 7 and was considering another evo though i dont live near a track so will never track the car i buy and am a bit ove r4 cylinders after currently having a manual stagea. Please help people.. Give me any ideas or feedback thanks.

If i do get an r34 gtr will i be dissapointed for the money outlayed?

[Peter89]

for you, without a track near by you ll never be able to use the full potential of the GTR. then again, that goes for all sports cars.

slow? compared to a F1 car but value for money, one of the fastest cars around. stock R34s will go past 320kph.

huge power figures aren't going to happen as easily with such a small capacity. with 1/4 miles, 4wd will be slowing it down. for a drag car, i would look at something else, IMO.

however, with that being said, basic tuning will see a vast increase in power over stock. stock cars were heavily under-tuned. the strength of GTRs is the amounts of grip available.

pros:

-grip and track potential

-high response engine

-good power gains from stock

cons:

-huge power expensive

-requires a lot of work for serious drag racing.

-heavy

stock figures:

206kw engine.

0-100 ~5seconds

1/4mile to memory in the 12s but cant be certain.

though, im sure you ll get a better response from someone who actually owns one

Edited August 1, 2010 by Peter89

[Ninjabread Man]

Are you f**king joking? Stock R34 GTR will nowhere near reach 320 kph!

Edited August 1, 2010 by Ninjabread Man

[Brandon]

Search on the force induction section and you'll find the basic mods for stock GTRs. Personally I'm not overly impressed by the 33 GTR when I bought it (Maybe the stock N1 turbos are just laggy untuned) but tuning changed my impression. Having said that, the 34s might be different again.

The car is a lot more responsive and pulls so much harder. And thats just with catback, ecu and ebc.

[vspecIInur]

From my evo 7 to a Gtr was an enormous leap. They feel better, drive better, handle better, and aesthetically better. Intially, I thought gtr's were poor at handling (weight) but I was wrong. A gtr is not the ideal car for drag (rather a 2JZ is preferred) unless that's your goal of course. You can unleash lots of potential from the rb26 but is very costly.

Overall though, they are still quick from stock but before you know it you will want more power because the car screams for more. As your probably aware it all depends what model 34 your after ie. base, vspec, vspec II, mspec and nur spec variants.

The 34's that I find hold their value are either black 34's, or vspec II and above.

[GTR-N1]

Slow stock? Not really. Extra Nm Torque makes it quicker than my old R33 GT-R. Even manufacturer's figures relay this...

R33 GT-R a fraction over 5 sec 0-100

R34 GT-R a fraction less than 5 sec

I use mine as a weekend car too - and where I live, there are plenty of twisties to enjoy (up 'n down hillsides).

Superb car!

Depreciation?

I've lost $2K/yr over the past 4 yrs.

Cons on mine?

Oil pump & CD unit. That's all.

PM if you wish...

*Edit: and oh yes, Coilpacks had to be changed - forgot about them...

[Brandon]

From my evo 7 to a Gtr was an enormous leap. They feel better, drive better, handle better, and aesthetically better. Intially, I thought gtr's were poor at handling (weight) but I was wrong. A gtr is not the ideal car for drag (rather a 2JZ is preferred) unless that's your goal of course. You can unleash lots of potential from the rb26 but is very costly.

Overall though, they are still quick from stock but before you know it you will want more power because the car screams for more. As your probably aware it all depends what model 34 your after ie. base, vspec, vspec II, mspec and nur spec variants.

The 34's that I find hold their value are either black 34's, or vspec II and above.

Same with any other cars but rb26 is 1 of the best platform to start with other than 2JZ. You'll be spending easily twice for modding an EVO to the same power as the GTR too.

And yes, black and mnp seems to be the premium colour for 34s. V-Spec II, M-Spec and the limited editions are holding their value pretty well.

[Peter89]

Are you f**king joking? Stock R34 GTR will nowhere near reach 320 kph!

i know someone who hit around 300kph in a basically modded 32GTR.

vids on youtube show R34s doing 200mph(340kph) though, cant be certain they are fully stock though.

Edited August 2, 2010 by Peter89

[usmair]

a stock GTR would be electronically limited to 180kmph.... right?

[maclarenf1]

i am also in the same boat, will be looking for one with basic mods

i thought the bay side blue ones kept there value well, due to the colour, of cause midnight purple are very $$$$

will again be a weekender only

my issue is even on stock form, the ceramic turbo will be coming close to 10 years now, always think that turbo will blow up and i will be end up with

massive bill, which is Ok, explaining this to the CFO (wife) is whole another matter

My basic idea is

either get V-Spec from Jap land, you can import a decent one for around 42K landed (being in contact with ben at j-spec for jap used dealer and auction prices) as long as aussi doller is OK

or find R34 GTR and fix Copy or genuine Tommy kaira diffuser, or a real Vspec diffuser (which are very expensive and hard to find) put some coil covers and lower it... that basically gives you the LOOK... and nice rimes to fill the Rims. few aussie places sell the V-spec front bar kit, if you really want the LOOK !!!!

only after around 235 - 250 ish AWKW, so dont have to do a lot engine wise for me

GTR tuning guide as a base to use

http://nissanskyline.6te.net/tuning_GTR.htm

so many articles in SAU as well mind you

I was also for a long time in 2 minds about Evo 8 MR / R34 and there some nice modded ones and there bloody quick off the boat too (Evo 8 MR).... but always love the street presence of the R34 GTR or even R33 S3 V-spec, but 33 are getting a bit dated for my liking

[Peter89]

a stock GTR would be electronically limited to 180kmph.... right?

true but that's not included as the cars real speed. simple to bypass.

[choyda]

smithers, have you driven and one or ridden in one?

That would be the first thing to do.

You may find that the car you test or get will already have some of the basics done like exhaust and boost restrictor removed and that might meet your immediate needs.

Power figures (and torque for that matter) are just numbers. People have different preferences around the feel of the car, response and top end power. Read the -5 or -7's thread for some great insight. From what I drove prior to getting mine, I found the GTR a little slow at the bottom end but thats just the different delivery from what I was used to. I came from a GT-T with high flow, front mount and power fc tuned for response. The car I tested was bog stock but dated (mileage wise). I ended up importing something with lower kms and some tasteful mods.

If you have any other questions, let me know

[syfon]

With regards to the top speed of a stock R34 GTR.....put it this way, my BMW 323Ci with a 2.5L NA I6 had a top speed of 240km/h, and I tested that. So a stock R34 GTR should easily reach 300...

[Longz]

PROS

Very big power gains from minor mods

Boost controller , Power FC , Tomei Cam Gears , Titanium Exhaust gave me 262kw on the dyno

comming from a Evo8 MR my self ,

the GTR looks more tough and the boost feeling is totally different , the evo is ALOT more comfortable and the interior is alot better ( Black recaros )

Note i do only have a Vspec not II or M-Spec.

CONS

Interior ... so shit ... comes with a 180km speedo need to spend a butload just to see 320 km speedo

the suspension is so bumpy this one time i was driving 70km's fell into a not so deep pothole and my windscreen wiper came down lol.

[vspecIInur]

I definitely feel the lag response down low but as mentioned, minors mods can get the car going like crazy. I don't rely much on power figures as power delivery is what it comes down to. You want to be able to utilise the full extent of the power but everyone chooses how they want to run their car.

PROS

Very big power gains from minor mods

Boost controller , Power FC , Tomei Cam Gears , Titanium Exhaust gave me 262kw on the dyno

comming from a Evo8 MR my self ,

the GTR looks more tough and the boost feeling is totally different , the evo is ALOT more comfortable and the interior is alot better ( Black recaros )

Note i do only have a Vspec not II or M-Spec.

CONS

Interior ... so shit ... comes with a 180km speedo need to spend a butload just to see 320 km speedo

the suspension is so bumpy this one time i was driving 70km's fell into a not so deep pothole and my windscreen wiper came down lol.

My evo 7 had the tight non-leather recaros and I'm not tiny haha. As regards to the speedo, it's a costly upgrade but common now for the nismo 320km, 11k rpm (comes in black or white dials).

[Huy]

They certainly need a tune. I couldn't believe how much mine woke up after some basic mods. It just keeps piling on speed.

I love the fact that it's more responsive now, and has plenty of top end power. Fun fun.

I think the Vspec II interior is fantastic. Compared to my brother's Evo IX, this is far better.

[ras1983]

Stock R34 GTR's will NOT do 200mph. They might do 300kmh given a long enough stretch of road.

They're great cars IMO. Fantastic value for money, good pedigree and street cred, good performance for the time. But they're getting old now, so they maybe aren't the performance bench marks that they used to be.

As with all enthusiast/collectible/classic cars, you buy these cars for their history, the driving experience and sentimental reasons. R34 GTR's have these qualities in spades (all GTR's do to be quite honest).

[MRSAMO]

For me, boot space. My R32 GTR felt more usable as a daily than an R34 as it had a much bigger boot.

Evo would crap over both of them for usable cabin space and boot!

Edited August 3, 2010 by MRSAMO

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

speed is related to gearing just as much as power

[PM-R33]

Exactly.

If there was no resistance from friction (tyres, wind etc) a car will reach a theoretical top speed which is a calculation of the engine RPM, 5th/6th gear ratio, diff ratio and wheel/tyre size.

The car's power is simply needed to overcome the friction resistance to reach the theoretical top speed. Therefore if a car with 400hp can reach the theoretical top speed adding another 200hp won't do jack for it's top speed.

From memory a R32 GTR on standard gearing in 5th must rev over 8000rpm to crack a true 300km/h (remember the speedo will not be accurate at those speeds).

Since the R34 GTR has a sixth gear with a similar ratio as a R32 GTR fifth gear (0.79:1 compared to 0.75:1) but has a final drive ratio of 3.55:1 compared to 4.11:1 it will reach a higher theoretical top speed. Also the fact a R34 GTR can rev higher in stock form than a R32 GTR adds to the higher top speed.

Edited August 5, 2010 by PM-R33