Rta Nsw Make It Up As They Go Along

[nathanau]

Australians really need to take back Australia! get the bureaucrats out of the lives of citizens, leaving the government charged with running our economy not our lives and choices. Speed cameras, payg taxes, road taxes, stamp duties, fees, the list is long, endless, all sucking the guts out of hard working people.

Im tried of government making all decisions for me, telling me what i can and cannot do, being forced at "law" to pay them top dollars each time i breath for my right to live...... Now the wonderful labor party will be applying internet filters to the national broadband scheme (if they get in) and the liberals etc are no better. Personally i don't need an internet filter, im not a child, i can decide what i want to look at on the internet, i do not need censorship and if i had children i would make sure i have a filter for them in place.

I bought a car 6 years ago at a government car Auction, i purchased the car for about 4 thousand under market value.

I then went to the RTA to transfer the car into my name.

I had all the purchase receipts etc from the government seller as proof as to the cost of my car. When i applied to transfer the car

into my name the RTA said that it was too cheap and they needed to charge me at what they call 'fair market value' for the transfer.

Despite my proof of purchase they charged me PLENTY more dollars to transfer it and i had no choice but to pay it.

This time i want to buy a Skyline R34 Gtt soooooo doing due diligence in advance im calling the RTA and asking what is fair market value on such a car. 45 minutes ( im typing this out while on hold) of going back and forth on the phone with the consultant they do not know.....

What they do know is that on the day i go to the RTA to transfer the car into my name they will have a fair market value charge but they do not know what that will be until i buy the car, fill out the paper work for the transfer and submit it. They clearly call it make it up as they go along ( to their advantage) and if you don't pay then you cant transfer ownership or register the car. I cant accept that the RTA can charge whatever they feel fair market value is on the day, but ask them in advance and they do not know.....

I so know this is going to be another government scam!

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

moved to afganistan.. problem solved..

[mad082]

they would've only charged you an extra $160 at most (if it was a V8) for the extra 4k they added to the value of the car. that isn't exactly a huge amount of money. so i'd just put the phone down, stop having a whinge, go buy the car and pay whatever is required when transferring the rego.

[Deano 1]

I agree with you mate, the rta screws everyone over, the amount of money they get out of everyone is just stupid and our roads and service at the rta is just a joke.

I'm 99% sure they get 4cents of every Litre of fuel you buy for the roads, they 3bux for every 100dollors of your purchase price. There's a bunch of other random tax/costs that really serve no meaning that i don't no about.

[SCR48]

I found the QLD RTA quite good actually.. I just showed then the receive for compliance and the receipt for shipping total and told them its was the total paid for purchase price... this only totalled $4,800 and it was a mint condition R33 S2 GTST.... im glad i didnt show the $7k receipt for the car purchase aswell!

[jiffo]

  SCR48 said:

I found the QLD RTA quite good actually......

Been my experience too.

If you have a bona fide receipt, there's no argument. I've even been congratulated on a good, cheap purchase.

Although your RTA chose some book value, the officer would have the authority to make allowances for vehicle condition etc.

Most auction buys would have no rego and perhaps questionable road worthiness, all of which will add to the budget price you snapped up.

I would have taken it further.

[bubba]

$160 is like 2 hours of my time.. if I had already spent +45mins on the phone then I would just write it off before I wasted any more of my time.

I'm all for fighting idiotic beauracracy but are you willing to piss a lot of time and money up the wall just to make a point?

[jiffo]

Mate in QLD we get a ticket and wait in line for rego transfers etc, it's not done over the phone.

After sitting on the chairs watching daytime soaps for a couple of hours while the que gets ever longer, there's no way I'd take being fobbed off from the officer behind the glass.

He would have a superior to deal with just such cases and that's who I'd ask to speak to.

Talk to the donkey's head not it's arse.

[dan_the_man]

yea man. abolish payg tax. far out

[syfon]

Haha being a bit ignorant there.

You pay stamp duty (or vehicle licence duty as we know it in WA) going by the current market value of the vehicle.

Just becuase I brought a $50,000 BMW for $10,000 from a mate, it doesn't mean I pay stamp duty on $10,000, becuase that is not the current market value.

Check www.redbook.com.au for market values.

[nathanau]

Some great replies. But more than having a whinge its an overall statement with regard to how things really do need to be questioned. Why should i or anyone else have to like it?... and just pay more money not knowing why or being able to justify it. To lay down and cop it sweet allows bureaucrats to find more ways to screw us. Its not about how much money one makes Vs time on the phone, ...... Im sure there are other people (minority perhaps) that don't like to bend ova and take it because thats the way it is. On principal ill fight back! So should we all.

[jiffo]

Showing my age again as Stamp Duty had always been a transaction tax based solely on the amount of money changing hands, nothing to do with the actual article.

A quick look at Qld’s transfer of rego form now calls it a Vehicle Registration Duty, and it’s calculated on the total payable by the purchaser or market value, whatever is the greater.

So there you go, a state tax under a different name.

If the GST had gone through as originally proposed, I guess all these state taxes (and there’s thousands of them) would have been wiped.

BTW Deano 1, your fuel excise is 38cents per litre, not 4cents, and then 10% GST on the total, all of which is collected by the Feds. and then distributed back to the States.

Time for all the State Governments to go in the shit tin where they belong.

Wasteland time.

[Tektrader69]

You can actually tell them ( RTA) to shut up and only pay what you feel is correct.

IF there is an issue with the value. The State revenue office will contact you come audit time. They will ask you to justify the price you put on the form.

[AndrewJZX100]

buy the car, pay the money and skid to leave

you'll feel better than you would if you sat on the phone for hours talking to monkeys to save a few hundred bucks

Edited August 10, 2010 by AndrewJZX100

[HEKT1K]

i think you should complain to the RTA.

Not even the tax system is that bad.

When calculating capital gains tax, so long as you are dealing at arm's length (ie. genuine sale, not just to a mate etc) your capital proceeds will be what you actually receive upon sale. Similar concept here - if the auction house (or private seller for that matter) genuinely sells you a car for a cheap price, your stamp duty should be based on that IMO.

[GTR-N1]

  nathanau said:

Some great replies. But more than having a whinge its an overall statement with regard to how things really do need to be questioned. Why should i or anyone else have to like it?... and just pay more money not knowing why or being able to justify it. To lay down and cop it sweet allows bureaucrats to find more ways to screw us. Its not about how much money one makes Vs time on the phone, ...... Im sure there are other people (minority perhaps) that don't like to bend ova and take it because thats the way it is. On principal ill fight back! So should we all.

Sounds like it's time for you to...

DON'T GET ANGRY - GET EVEN!

1) Go to every RTA branch and grab all the "P" plates 'cause they're free > sell them back on e-bay to frustrated RTA customers

2) Whilst waiting, leave your thumb on the number dispenser and when it runs out, sell the sequential tickets back to them

3) Pocket free pens

4) A burly 'removalist' like yourself can take all the rows of seats > Used Furniture shop to onsell to Dr's surgery waiting areas

[turboedsloth]

go in there and take all the vehicle transfer papers that are in the slot. Then when they restock it take some more

[bubba]

I've found that as soon as you walk in, kicking something over is a good way to start getting your point across.