Nistune R32 For Gtr33?

[lav]

Hi guys,

im getting a nistune Stage 1 and 2 from GTR32 for my GTR33....

Want to know if you think it will be fine to use instead of Power FC???

Lav

[Count Grantleyish]

Yeah it is fine to use after few modifications to the wiring for o2 sensors I believe.

I'd get Power FC though.

[frozenpod]

I'd get Power FC though.

What are you basing this on?

[Count Grantleyish]

5 mins to install Power FC and there is hand controller (good for showing off to buddies)

These reasons I chose PFC, less stuffing around.

[VSPECT]

What are you basing this on?

Isnt PFC better? whats the difference between the nistune and PFC...both are just aftermarket comp system ya?

5 mins to install Power FC and there is hand controller (good for showing off to buddies)

These reasons I chose PFC, less stuffing around.

+1.. i prefer PFC...well just coz i got one and i love it...and also maybe not sure what the nistune is...lol..

[frozenpod]

5 mins to install Power FC and there is hand controller (good for showing off to buddies)

These reasons I chose PFC, less stuffing around.

If you have a converted ECU it takes 5 minutes to install a Nistune.

Hand controller is cop bait showing off isn't a real bennifit.

PFC requries a lot more tunning time and the engine will never run as well (no reason it wont as most aftermarket ECUs have more than enough adjustment and correctional factors but I am yet to see any aftermarket ECUs tuned to the level of detail that factory ECUs are tuned to accounting for all conditions).

[frozenpod]

Isnt PFC better? whats the difference between the nistune and PFC...both are just aftermarket comp system ya?

+1.. i prefer PFC...well just coz i got one and i love it...and also maybe not sure what the nistune is...lol..

Nistune is a modified factory ECU allowing the factory ECU tune to be adjusted, I have seen a few cars running 300rwkw plus with perfect control and tune. Being factory ECU it also has perfect idle, cold start ect as well as knock detection and safety of separate knock maps (as per factory) which are also adjustable essentially it is the best of the best in terms of everything will work like factory whilst also being able to be tuned for seriously HP and much bigger injectors.

What is the limitation in tunning range, I don't know exactly but the Nistune website has a number of cars tuned to around 400rwkw without problem.

I have used a PFC on another car (don't get me wrong it is a good unit) and Nistune on a R32, Nistune IMO is by far the better way to go for 99% of people.

[VSPECT]

Nistune is a modified factory ECU allowing the factory ECU tune to be adjusted, I have seen a few cars running 300rwkw plus with perfect control and tune. Being factory ECU it also has perfect idle, cold start ect as well as knock detection and safety of separate knock maps (as per factory) which are also adjustable essentially it is the best of the best in terms of everything will work like factory whilst also being able to be tuned for seriously HP and much bigger injectors.

What is the limitation in tunning range, I don't know exactly but the Nistune website has a number of cars tuned to around 400rwkw without problem.

I have used a PFC on another car (don't get me wrong it is a good unit) and Nistune on a R32, Nistune IMO is by far the better way to go for 99% of people.

Is there Nistune for only r32? its just never heard about it for others and is this why lav is having to get one off from a 32 into his 33? And also whats the difference in the satge 1 and 2?

[FrangaR33]

Is there Nistune for only r32? its just never heard about it for others and is this why lav is having to get one off from a 32 into his 33? And also whats the difference in the satge 1 and 2?

I would reccomend giving Trent at status/chequered tuning a call as he is the man when it comes to Nistune, i'm sure he'd be able to point you in the right direction.

Here is his thread about it in the trader section, also there is a discount for paying SAU members.

[VSPECT]

I would reccomend giving Trent at status/chequered tuning a call as he is the man when it comes to Nistune, i'm sure he'd be able to point you in the right direction.

Here is his thread about it in the trader section, also there is a discount for paying SAU members.

thanks mate...

[frozenpod]

Is there Nistune for only r32? its just never heard about it for others and is this why lav is having to get one off from a 32 into his 33? And also whats the difference in the satge 1 and 2?

It is available for a wide range of Nissan ECUs (S13/S14/S14 N14 ect) but it wasn't available for the R33 when I got mine, this might have changed as there range has been expanding. (R33 is a very different design to other nissan ECUs so it might not be possible)

Please check here for full details.

http://www.nistune.com/

I am not sure what you mean by stage 1 and stage 2 but there is a consoul option for monitor and fault diagnostics and a full realtime tunning option. There is also type 1, Type 2, Type 3 ect (which could also be what you are refering to) boards that suit difference ECUs as I understand it.

I would recommend speaking with Peter Taplin in regards to tunning.

http://soarerparts.com/

Very good tuner the best I have seen and has a lot of first hand experience tunning/remapping factory ECUs from emissions testing to race cars.

Edited September 6, 2010 by frozenpod

[STATUS]

PFC requries a lot more tunning time and the engine will never run as well (no reason it wont as most aftermarket ECUs have more than enough adjustment and correctional factors but I am yet to see any aftermarket ECUs tuned to the level of detail that factory ECUs are tuned to accounting for all conditions).

Tuning time is the same, for both PFC or nistune, both cars should be indistinguishable from each other drive wise, for track cars i would go pfc d-jetro on a street car i would recommend either PFC (normal) or nistune, nistune is great for passing epa (with all mods) and so far 400kw is about as far as ive pushed a GTR with nistune..

Atm there are some missing addresses in the nistune (all remap software actually) for GTR which are required to allow more control of IGN and INJ vs AIT compensation, once these addresses are found by Nistune or JWT etc i will use them in more hard tuned track style cars.

Based on the support we get from nistune i dont think it will take too long for the addresses to be found.

BTW im a nistune and PFC fanboy so if you go Nistune speak to your tuner and make sure the addresses for your particular requirements are accessible.

Like any ecu, correct application is more important than brand.

[JAGR33]

PFC requries a lot more tunning time and the engine will never run as well (no reason it wont as most aftermarket ECUs have more than enough adjustment and correctional factors but I am yet to see any aftermarket ECUs tuned to the level of detail that factory ECUs are tuned to accounting for all conditions).

What are YOU basing this on?

I have a PowerFC in my car and it runs/idles/sounds/smells and tastes like a standard ECU.

Most experienced tuners should have a PowerFC running as smooth and as a standard ECU.

Trent has confirmed there is no more time needed than a Nistune remap.

My advice is speak to the person who will be tuning the car, different tuners like different ecu's...

We are blessed with this forum and the feedback we get from members' experiences. Stick to the most recommended workshops and you should be fine, do what's convenient for YOU....

Just my 2c.....

[Count Grantleyish]

Jack is on the money there.

I too have Power FC, piss easy to fit and tune, I don't have any probs with mine, the reason I went for PFC was the ability to tune without o2 sensors. Mine is my only car, no idle issues or anything, I daily drive mine in traffics and such.

Knock control may be useful but I can't see a point in having one, best knock control is to lift your right foot off the pedal.

As Jack said, talk to tuner you prefer and ask him/her what they recommend or happy to tune with.

[frozenpod]

What are YOU basing this on?

I have a PowerFC in my car and it runs/idles/sounds/smells and tastes like a standard ECU.

Most experienced tuners should have a PowerFC running as smooth and as a standard ECU.

Trent has confirmed there is no more time needed than a Nistune remap.

My advice is speak to the person who will be tuning the car, different tuners like different ecu's...

We are blessed with this forum and the feedback we get from members' experiences. Stick to the most recommended workshops and you should be fine, do what's convenient for YOU....

Just my 2c.....

I 100% agree that you need to talk to your tuner. Using a product they are not familar with or not happy to use will cost them more time and you more money not to mention that will not no all the ins and outs of the fine details.

I am basing this on my experience of personally tunning a range of different piggy back ECUs over the passed 10 years and a couple of full aftermarket ECUs along with driving about 30 cars with full aftermarket ECUs (which according to there owners most thought they ran like factory and most drove ok but not as factory) and driving a perhaps 8 factory retuned ECUs which all bar 1 were just like factory. I do not tune for a living or for money I tune my own cars as I have a personal interest in this area and I do so as hobby. I have had at times cars tuned by so called experts which most did terrible jobs and IMO should not be allowed near cars on the other hand I have also meet some so called experts which did exceptional jobs.

I am not saying the PFC is bad infact it is very good but IMO from my experience the Nistune does provide a slightly better result for all conditions along with less purchase cost and IMO less tunning time. IMO 99% of people aims and goals not to mention avoid the majority of defect issues a Nistune is a better option.

[Count Grantleyish]

As for defects and such, you could still get sent to EPA with Nistune depending on officer's discretion.

I never had a defect or being sent to EPA myself but have heard stories of people who failed EPA after officers opening the ECU case and find out the ECU has been altered (which is illegal in Victoria by the way).

Just my 0.02 cents.

[frozenpod]

As for defects and such, you could still get sent to EPA with Nistune depending on officer's discretion.

I never had a defect or being sent to EPA myself but have heard stories of people who failed EPA after officers opening the ECU case and find out the ECU has been altered (which is illegal in Victoria by the way).

Just my 0.02 cents.

Yes but it is no where near as obvious as custom wiring under the bonnet connecting to engine sensors, no MAF or a hand controller.

[R31Nismoid]

^ good thing a PFC involves no custom wiring then doesn't it?

Nistune & the PFC for all intents and purposes are identical in reference to RB's.

Be it you or someone else, whoever was doing the tuning/setting of the PFC didnt do a good enough job if results were not the same.

Cold start, temp threshold, A/C loading and so on, all the stuff that most ECU's dont have "out of the box" the PFC has. So it shouldnt run any different at all.

PFC was a product to fill the void for what, 10+ years. Nistune has only come to be viable in recent times. I remember when initial development work was being done 6-7 years ago and i was sending my special R33 chipped ECU over to SA to lend a hand

Nistune is a great option, so is a PFC. They should both deliver identical results in capable hands.

As for the rest, already covered.

My advice is speak to the person who will be tuning the car, different tuners like different ecu's...

We are blessed with this forum and the feedback we get from members' experiences. Stick to the most recommended workshops and you should be fine, do what's convenient for YOU....

[frozenpod]

^ good thing a PFC involves no custom wiring then doesn't it?

Nistune & the PFC for all intents and purposes are identical in reference to RB's.

Be it you or someone else, whoever was doing the tuning/setting of the PFC didnt do a good enough job if results were not the same.

Cold start, temp threshold, A/C loading and so on, all the stuff that most ECU's dont have "out of the box" the PFC has. So it shouldnt run any different at all.

PFC was a product to fill the void for what, 10+ years. Nistune has only come to be viable in recent times. I remember when initial development work was being done 6-7 years ago and i was sending my special R33 chipped ECU over to SA to lend a hand

Nistune is a great option, so is a PFC. They should both deliver identical results in capable hands.

As for the rest, already covered.

I was refering to other aftermarket ECUs in reference to modified wiring and specifically the PFC in relation to the hand controller note how they were separate as being different possible options.

OEM manufactures have teams of engineers which spend 100's of hrs in climate control rooms tuning for all conditions this is almost impossible to replicate retunning the factory ECU retains. Whilst PFC has the options you have listed so do most aftermarket ECUs.

Regardless of brand used Wofl, Motec, Aurtonic the results of imperfect tunes in all conditions are very common.

Yep for most of the last 10 years PFC's were the best option, and again I'm not suggesting they are not good of if I had one I would switch to a Nistune but I am saying for me and IMO 99% of people looking at engine management options Nistune is the best option.

Edited September 9, 2010 by frozenpod

[STATUS]

My advice is speak to the person who will be tuning the car, different tuners like different ecu's...

We are blessed with this forum and the feedback we get from members' experiences. Stick to the most recommended workshops and you should be fine, do what's convenient for YOU....

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