New bilstein/Kings setup: review

[jezzrrr]

Thanks gary much appreciated - do whiteline do the coilovers in Bilstein ? Do I need to vary shock type if I up the spring rate ?

Jeremy

[rs73]

r u getting the latest Whiteline's Group4 shocks? Cos these looks like coilovers from the pictures on their website.

When I got mine done, the Group4 wasn't available yet, so I got the normal shocks and springs - not coilovers.

[jezzrrr]

r u getting the latest Whiteline's Group4 shocks? Cos these looks like coilovers from the pictures on their website.

When I got mine done, the Group4 wasn't available yet, so I got the normal shocks and springs - not coilovers.

theyre still not out yet for gtrs

[rs73]

theyre still not out yet for gtrs

Really? Man that's been a long time.... I know someone with 180sx is also still waiting for group4 shocks for his car.... been more than 6 months since they announced that new shocks...

[someonestolecc]

Hey guys,

I've always leant towards the whole Whiteline kit for some reason - has anyone here had or driven in a Kings/Bilstein comparable setup to a Whiteline setup? Whiteline kit comes with Konis doesn't it ?

Would there be any major difference? I understand it's all subjective but what would the objective/technical difference be?

Also is there a difference between coilovers and shocks and springs? Is the coilover just the shock-n-spring in one unit and the shocks and springs are seperate?

What is the difference in handling and application advantages/disadvantages?

_newb_

[jezzrrr]

Hey guys,

I've always leant towards the whole Whiteline kit for some reason - has anyone here had or driven in a Kings/Bilstein comparable setup to a Whiteline setup? Whiteline kit comes with Konis doesn't it ?

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the whiteline kit uses Bilsteins

[rs73]

the whiteline kit uses Bilsteins

My whiteline kit uses Koni. I was told that they used to use Bilstein but not anymore. If you're getting Whiteline kit lately, it is most likely to be Koni. Bilstein probably gives better ride than Koni but they need to be overhauled every 2 years as I was told, while Koni is maintenance free.

[jezzrrr]

interesting, I spoke to whiteline on friday and they asvised me they are using bilsteins but i think what you get told differs with which person youre talking to

[Sydneykid]

Whiteline choose the most applicable shock for the task required of it. So some kits have Konis some have Bilsteins, some have Whiteline's own European made shocks.

[51jay]

My Whiteline kit had DMS shocks. I think the difference between the Konis and the Bilsteins is the B's are Gas and the K's are not.

I have lurked this whole thread...it really should be sticky'd there is just so much info in it

I was interested in SK's comment that he uses up to 30% antisquat How do you change this?? My problem at the drags at the moment is I don't get any squat at all !! I have what I believe is a stock...very well used spring/shock at the rear and Whiteline Spring/DMSshocks at the front+ whiteline swaybar...stock at rear + pineapples in drag config. Even with full slicks on the rear (track Pirelli Rosso D5's) not a trace of squat???

ride hgt is 370mm f/r. Irealise that the coilovers at the front don't help but stockies are going back on after Sat Track day. Anyone like to comment??

[Sydneykid]

My Whiteline kit had DMS shocks.  I think the difference between the Konis and the Bilsteins is the B's are Gas and the K's are not.

I have lurked this whole thread...it really should be sticky'd there is just so much info in it

 I was interested in SK's comment that he uses up to 30% antisquat  How do you change this??   My problem at the drags at the moment is I don't get any squat at all !! I have what I believe is a stock...very well used spring/shock at the rear and Whiteline Spring/DMSshocks at the front+ whiteline swaybar...stock at rear + pineapples in drag config. Even with full slicks on the rear (track Pirelli Rosso D5's) not a trace of squat???

ride hgt is 370mm f/r.  Irealise that the coilovers at the front don't help but stockies are going back on after Sat Track day.  Anyone like to comment??

Hi 51Jay, our adjustable Koni Sports (yellow) are gas. Koni (red) are sometimes gas, sometime not, depends on application. I don't think Whiteline still use DMS, its my understanding that they now have their own, made in Europe to their specs.

Re anti squat, where have you placed the rear pinapples, the small ones above the subframe (between the mounts and the body)? Front or rear of the sub frame?

[rs73]

Is this gas type Koni shocks are the same with what the authority called airbag suspension and declared illegal for road use in some states?

So far I'm happy with my Whiteline kit, just one nag is on my GTSt the kit doesn't come with easy to adjust rear ones. Not sure how this can changed to be as easy to adjust as the front ones (using provided plastic cap)... maybe welding an adjuster "pole" that can be easily reached by making a small hole over the parcel shelf?

[someonestolecc]

Airbag suspension is actual airbags that blow up and deflate - mostly for the purpose of making lowriders. Kind of like the poor man's hyrdraulics.

You see them occasionally on hilux' and stuff..

[Sciby]

Well, in an effort to stop the ScibyLine from acting like a boat on the straights, I've ordered a set of Bilstein shocks to replace the Pedders Comfort Gas/KYB X-Cels that I've got at the moment... I've got sports ryder springs, which I have no idea what the rates would be, but hopefully it'll be fine. Anyone have any specs for Pedders springs? Pedders themselves are useless.

[Sciby]

The Bilsteins are now in, married to the Sports Ryders... which are still a problem. While the Bilsteins have definitely told the springs to behave, it's still on the bouncy side of perfect... but only just. The problem is that the roads I have to live with are... well... shiiiiite. No two ways about it... the Bilsteins are good, and if I move to a better-roaded area, they're just waiting for a new sit of harder springs.

$1200 fitted, but worth it, I suspect.

Anyone know where and how much for a set of King Springs lows?

[hoo@h]

are bilstein shocks better at absorbing bumps n lumps on the road compare to stock r34 gtt shocks?

how much for a set and where to get it done in Brisbane?

[GTR32]

Because of the extra weight, around 250 lbs front and 200 lbs rear would be OK for a GTR.  You really don't want (or need) to go much over 200 lbs in the rear of either a GTST or a GTR.  A 350 lb rate in the front springs is about the max I would recommend for a road car.

Guys;

Sorry to bring up an old thread but I was trawling through info on spring rates and found this post by Sydneykid. I was also reading the Nissan manual and (consistent with what Duncan posted elsewhere) the spring rates are listed as being heavier in the rear than the front (134 F/151 R), opposite to that suggested by SK.

I know that SK knows his stuff and I'd have also thought that heavier front than rear would make sense given the weight on the GTRs front axles but if that is the case why did Nissan specify the reverse?

SK are you out there? Anyone have any ideas?

Regards

[rs73]

hm.. interesting... can heavier spring rate induce more oversteer?

In a AWD system like GTR, an understeer is natural behaviour when pushed beyond its limit, characteristic of an 4WD/AWD car. When combined with stiffer front spring rate, the understeer effect can get worst.

Maybe Nissan engineer decided to put stiffer rear spring rate and softer front spring rate to dial out some of those understeer effect and to help the AWD GTR to turn in more into the corner, all in order to achieve a more balanced chassis dynamic.

This setup would be different in a RWD GTS-t because of RWD tendency to oversteer when cornering hard under power. That's how I guess on GTS-t the rear spring rate is softer than the front...

I'm no expert, so if it doesnt logic enough, feel free to discuss...

just my 2c....

[GTR32]

one theory i've heard so far is that the rears on the gtr are made harder to control irs squat. not sure i buy that one though, particularly if the gtst has what i'd term a 'normal' set up ie heavier front.

[Pablo]

"In a AWD system like GTR, an understeer is natural behaviour"

Is it? Ordinarily the GTR is rear wheel drive only, giving the car favourable rear-wheel drive characteristics until the rears reach the limit of adhesion and torque is then progressively transferred to the fronts