Po Po's And Their Power Trips...

[Bourbon Boy]

I have nothing against Coppers... But seriously??

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/make-my...1007-168o2.html

[alr33x]

thats farked.

[evil_weevil]

well...2 sides to every story.

the officers say with video footage they saw her with no belt on the whole way there and there are inconsistancies with what the media has said vs the video.

until we see the video - its he said she said

[Bourbon Boy]

Yeah True... I agree with that. But theoretically if she was telling the truth... Could a charge like this stick in court if it was challenged?

[tbag]

One of the comments at the bottom states that there is a law that if the vehicle isn't moving faster than 25km/h that you don't have to wear a seatbelt, this true?

[tbag]

Under NSW legislation, Road Rules 2008, REG 267

exemptions from wearing seatbelts", section (2) : A person in or on a motor vehicle is exempt from wearing a seatbelt if the vehicle is not travelling at more than 25 kilometres an hour.

[chunkylover69]

According to this website it is:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/con...08104/s267.html

It is section 2b

Austlii is a website apparently put together and maintained by the UNSW (University of New South Wales) and UTS (University of Technology, Sydney). Seems legit.

Another thing is that this seemed to happen on private property. You would think that unless the operator of the car-park has an agreement with the NSW Police to patrol their property in accordance with the road rules of NSW the driver should be ok, especially given the above mention to the road regs.

So....(if all above is true) wtf was the cop doing writing her up? Prick.

[oweban]

There's a lot of hearsay about this... Tristan, you've gotta be a "delivery driver making frequent stops" or similar to be eligible for the <25km/h exemption. Jake, carparks can actually be enforced by police (unfortunately in this instance). The problem is that they're saying that she wasn't wearing her belt all the way from her work to the carpark. Until video footage comes out (both police and the footage from the carpark), we're all just speculating.

If she was doing the right thing and it's the officer being VERY picky, then yeah, it's an abuse of discretionary power. If she had truly done the wrong thing, then she should suck it up.

Will be interesting, though.

[MBS206]

According to this website it is:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/con...08104/s267.html

It is section 2b

Austlii is a website apparently put together and maintained by the UNSW (University of New South Wales) and UTS (University of Technology, Sydney). Seems legit.

Another thing is that this seemed to happen on private property. You would think that unless the operator of the car-park has an agreement with the NSW Police to patrol their property in accordance with the road rules of NSW the driver should be ok, especially given the above mention to the road regs.

So....(if all above is true) wtf was the cop doing writing her up? Prick.

If a car park or private road is open to the public for use, it is classed as public thoroughfare, aka, a road, which means, police have full power.

[MBS206]

When it goes to court, video footage will be reviewed, it will then be clear cut.

If it's hit the media, and they're standing behind the fine and admitting they have video footage, then they have evidence, and it's not just hearsay.

For an LAC person to make a statement, they're not afraid of any bad publicity, which means, they have evidence to prove it.

[chunkylover69]

So what about this REG 267 Section 2b. I have never heard of it before but it seems to exist.

Perhaps she continued driving without the seatbelt, contrary to the article.

Edited October 7, 2010 by chunkylover69

[Shell]

yeah if her side of the story is true then that's very shit indeed.... the mall I go to all the time has this big corner at the exit so I NEVER put my seatbelt on till I'm through the boomgate cos I can never reach! I'd be very pissed off if I got booked for it.

[MBS206]

So what about this REG 267 Section 2b. I have never heard of it before but it seems to exist.

Perhaps she continued driving without the seatbelt, contrary to the article.

2B only applies when 2A is also in use, you need to read the law appropriately.

2) A person in or on a motor vehicle is exempt from wearing a seatbelt if:

(a) the person is engaged in the door-to-door delivery or collection of goods, or in the collection of waste or garbage, and is required to get in or out of the vehicle, or on or off the vehicle, at frequent intervals, and

(b) the vehicle is not travelling over 25 kilometres per hour.

This is why you don't trust people on the internet, they don't know how to read the laws appropriately.

[chunkylover69]

She was delivering tickets to the machines. Derrr.

[l_uk3y]

If I'm reading that correctly then that is a very harsh penalty. But who's too say that is the exact story as it happened. Impossible to tell with the media these days.

Luke

[Kinks]

2B only applies when 2A is also in use, you need to read the law appropriately.

2) A person in or on a motor vehicle is exempt from wearing a seatbelt if:

(a) the person is engaged in the door-to-door delivery or collection of goods, or in the collection of waste or garbage, and is required to get in or out of the vehicle, or on or off the vehicle, at frequent intervals, and

(b) the vehicle is not travelling over 25 kilometres per hour.

This is why you don't trust people on the internet, they don't know how to read the laws appropriately.

this. most people on the internet suck at comprehension and they are completely wrong to selectively quote what they did.

the law is simply that you must be wearing a seatbelt while operating a vehicle. technically the seatbelt should be on before you start the car and stay on until after the car is switched off. also you must park the car and switch it off before using a mobile phone. yes it's over the top but those are the rules. i would like to think that a police officer would be reasonable and apply their discretion rather than slapping you with a fine, unless that is you fail the attitude check by being a f**kwit.

[MBS206]

this. most people on the internet suck at comprehension and they are completely wrong to selectively quote what they did.

the law is simply that you must be wearing a seatbelt while operating a vehicle. technically the seatbelt should be on before you start the car and stay on until after the car is switched off. also you must park the car and switch it off before using a mobile phone. yes it's over the top but those are the rules. i would like to think that a police officer would be reasonable and apply their discretion rather than slapping you with a fine, unless that is you fail the attitude check by being a f**kwit.

Exactly right.

Secondly, the police officers side of the story was that she drove down the street with her seatbelt off, not that she took it off in the parking station.

I would nearly lay money on it, from the release the police station made, that she wasn't wearing her seatbelt whilst driving, was pulled up in the parking station, told mum and dad she was booked for doing it to get a ticket from the machine so that they would feel sorry for her and help her pay the fine.

I dont think 3 points and $300 is a bad fine, think about it this way.

You're driving down the street, something goes wrong and you somehow have a head on accident with another driver, not wearing their seatbelt, both cars doing 50KM/H, the person with out a seat belt is most likely going to be SERIOUSLY hurt, if not killed... Now that's going to haunt you for the rest of your life because you were in an accident that should have been minor, and because they didn't do something that "only affects them" it now gives you night mares every night for the rest of your life...

What would you rather, mental problems for life, or that a different driver is fined $300 and loses 3 points and hopefully learns a lesson the easy way?

And as Kinks said, it is very often all about the attitude test.

Most young people these days 100% fail it!

[DAS KAMU]

either way cops these days are standover men

ie - well take you for your cash and there is nothing you can do about it

realise this and you will be better for it

they will have the fine written out before they pour out of there squad car even for the smallest trivial matter

its all about the money

dignity left the police many years ago and in its place are mentaly challenged officers who dont require annual mental health assesments

fines should be black and white and not based on how grumpy the officer is

grow up dont punish motorists because the best you could be was a cop - deal with it you fail but at least try to make the most of it

it must be better than the options when you left school

Keep at it and you may be the one who dishes out the most fines and wins that sweet mountain bike

Edited October 7, 2010 by DAS KAMU

[NISMO]

^^ Sorry dude, but what a load of crap.

Are some police on a power trip, sure, no-one's gonna argue that.

But fark me, you go and do what they do.

Its like some people on here think that all police are there for is motorist related issues.

How about you go next time into a house where someone just been killed and console the family

Or maybe you go and pick up a child molester from jail to take him to court the whole time knowing you would snap their neck in a hearbeat but knowing that you can't and need to be civil to them

Or maybe be the first on the scene where some farkwit hero who thinks he's Schuey has just wrapped his car around a pole and killed 3 of his mates but he survived.

Talking about growing up, there's a hell of a lot of people on here who need to grow the fark up.

[evil_weevil]

I couldnt do my friends job. She is in the crash investigation unit.

I bet 99.9% of the cop bashers here couldnt do her job, couldnt see what she sees day in day out

the stories I she tells me is enough for me to think twice about driving and little distractions, not wearing seat belts etc.

As Bobby said - who are the people you call first when someone has broken into your house?

back on topic - as stated until the video is released it is all speculation.