A Sneak Peak At Powertune's 1000hp Intank Fuel System

[destrukshn]

This design is a great option for those who want to run E-85 or need the fuel capacity to run bigger power.

Who says anything about surge tank? Pour more petrol and keep your tank at least 1/4 full?

[XRATED]

As status said sell the lid seperately.

2x walbro's aint gonna cut it... especially un baffled.

[PJ.]

Like I said (yes guys I work for Powertune) it isn't aimed at the circuit car, it isn't aimed at purpose built drag car and it would be common sense not to use one in a dedicated drift car.

Mainly for street cars that occasionally go to the drags, even occasionally to the track. Lots of people don't want the fuel smell in the car (personally I love the sweet smell of E85 in my cabin) but when the 5-0 pop the boot and see a surge tank, fittings, lines, pumps and smell fuel, he'll be asking to see your engineers certificate.

If you're not having surging issues without a surge tank (I see many, many, many GT-R's come into work without them) then this won't make a difference.

I can tell you from lots of experience in this game and from working in a workshop everyday, that this would suit the majority of customers real street cars. Guys who have nicely modded making good power, who on the rare occasion take it to the drags, and now with the intro of E85 on a more mainstream scale this will do the job nicely.

Also (And please, I really do mean this in a lighthearted way !, I had the same argument about price with my mechanic about 2 weeks ago (Just stepped up my own fuel system again), if you think you can walk out of a mechanical workshop to do a pair of 044 pumps, surge tank, mounts, braided lines, quality fittings, relays plus labour and wiring for $1300, tell me where the shop is. I thought exactly the same way you did until we got the calculator out. Maybe for the DIY guy who can do everything like a pro, but if a workshop is charging you $1300 then they are cutting corners or doing you a SERIOUS favour.

Flow wise you should maybe look into how fast guys have gone with twin in-tank Walbro's in the states. We already have have such a setup on an EVO that Insight made, it's been on for nearly a year now and the thing makes power and runs hard all day.

Hope this helps a few of you see things from a different perspective.

Peace!

PJ

[zebra]

You make a fair point about having a work shop do your fuel system, then It becomes a reasonable price.

But the majority of people on here who have neat/powerful street cars do a lot of their own work or at least like to do a few things themselves, which is one of the best things about SAU. As you would know setting up a surge tank (even and undercar one) is not hard, sure it might not win you a spot in the Summernats Elite hall, but will do the job. for a true streeter.

Yes there are many people on here that are also chequebook racers/drivers so no doubt they will sell well, especially to the crowd who pay $500 for a plug and oil change.

I also agree with Trent, Sell the lid seperate.

[Deano 1]

it would be sweet if it had a surge tank. a full bolt in kit for a 32 gtr pumps, tank, lines, the hole thing. for that price it wouldnt be toooo bad.....

[Roy]

c'mon Roy, 90% of big hp cars don't see the race track at all, 9% see it on the internet only. I guess 1% may visit a track once. 3 big hp GTRs in Aus regularly do track work.

so there is a market for this.

That was kind of my point Duncan There are almost as many money pit big hp GTRs sitting in peoples garages not getting driven as those living in workshops, far more then actual track cars that have 300-350rwkw GTRs that get used for every purpose imaginable.

You se so many GTRs with 8=10K brake setups and they NEVER see the track or any form of motorsport. So a $1300 fuel system isnt stretch meaning it saves a bit of labour which , what...costs between $100-135 / he these days!

[johnnyt]

looks the goods, but 1000hp system claim seems a little overboard.. i doubt the standard fuel lines will even support that amount of fuel.

IMO i would sell the carrier on its own and offer different diameter external fittings.

i have had one intank support 527hp through the standard lines, but believe that was its "safe" limit, switched to surge and external pump and never looked back

[yogibear]

Like I said (yes guys I work for Powertune) it isn't aimed at the circuit car, it isn't aimed at purpose built drag car and it would be common sense not to use one in a dedicated drift car.

Mainly for street cars that occasionally go to the drags, even occasionally to the track. Lots of people don't want the fuel smell in the car (personally I love the sweet smell of E85 in my cabin) but when the 5-0 pop the boot and see a surge tank, fittings, lines, pumps and smell fuel, he'll be asking to see your engineers certificate.

If you're not having surging issues without a surge tank (I see many, many, many GT-R's come into work without them) then this won't make a difference.

I can tell you from lots of experience in this game and from working in a workshop everyday, that this would suit the majority of customers real street cars. Guys who have nicely modded making good power, who on the rare occasion take it to the drags, and now with the intro of E85 on a more mainstream scale this will do the job nicely.

Also (And please, I really do mean this in a lighthearted way !, I had the same argument about price with my mechanic about 2 weeks ago (Just stepped up my own fuel system again), if you think you can walk out of a mechanical workshop to do a pair of 044 pumps, surge tank, mounts, braided lines, quality fittings, relays plus labour and wiring for $1300, tell me where the shop is. I thought exactly the same way you did until we got the calculator out. Maybe for the DIY guy who can do everything like a pro, but if a workshop is charging you $1300 then they are cutting corners or doing you a SERIOUS favour.

Flow wise you should maybe look into how fast guys have gone with twin in-tank Walbro's in the states. We already have have such a setup on an EVO that Insight made, it's been on for nearly a year now and the thing makes power and runs hard all day.

Hope this helps a few of you see things from a different perspective.

Peace!

PJ

not trying to have ago at you or your work or your workshop or product , BUT did u see the list i wrote?

for under 1300 bucks i am i getin my surge system in the car and a re tune . so personally i would find it pretty hard to shell out 1300 for this.

and if u do not believe me i will put all receipts up when all work is done, then u can eat your hat or mine .

this product will sell too some tho , i just think its going to miss a lot of people with the price and the lack of surge protection.

and you can say that a lot of cars don't need it, But would u build a rb26 and use a N1 oil pump because you can save your self a few dollars ? , same thing here if some one is going to the trouble of making big power they like insurance and that's why people have no worries paying 1500 bucks for a oil pump.

thanks

[The Bogan]

http://www.hyperflow.com.au/index.php?widg...id=HYAST-WRX001

I want something like this if its possible for my 33, I know this wouldnt fit in its current shape but a circular jobbie would fit between the pump and the top wouldnt it ?

Photo from DIY here http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/To...mp-t253097.html

[PJ.]

looks the goods, but 1000hp system claim seems a little overboard.. i doubt the standard fuel lines will even support that amount of fuel.

IMO i would sell the carrier on its own and offer different diameter external fittings.

i have had one intank support 527hp through the standard lines, but believe that was its "safe" limit, switched to surge and external pump and never looked back

Johnny, compare it to a turbo for example, they give you its max hp rating, with the right supporting mods it's capable of that power.

Walbro's in single form for turbocharged or supercharged applications are rated to 500hp each, and I've seen them make that sort of power all day everyday.

Yogibear, as stated, it isn't going to be for everyone, and I'm up to scratch on how much parts and labour costs and how long a job like what you're doing takes, that's what I do for a living, dude.

If you can do the work yourself, everything will always work out cheaper for you. But if you want to take the guess work out, have something that bolts straight in, that nobody can see while being able to support your application and power level, then bingo. Want to do an all out circuit, track or drift car? Then no.

I know hundreds of guys with tough street cars (obviously more than just GT-R's) who go to the drags a couple of times a year, some just do events like Powercruise and Supernats and the rest of the times are happy to cruise the streets on the weekends, so something like this would suit them perfectly.

I have had one modified car surge on me, it was low on fuel. I was trying to take a sharp corner in a WRX like Ken Block, man was I trying though!

[yogibear]

u do know i am paying some one to install the parts i am just getting my own parts?

like i said it is a good idea but if u could mod the tank to have more baffels of some sort for around the same money i think it would be a lot more interest in it.

and i'm not trying too argue with you , but guys wanted opinions .

[DVS JEZ]

im with PJ, most BIG HP cars dont need a surge tank, the stock GTR tank has pretty good baffles anyway,

my old S13 Drift and drag car didnt even need a surge tank and it was running 1 walbro with 270kw.

my current GTR circuit car is running a walbro without a surge tank,

my Old 419kw GTR didnt require a surge tank, and the list goes on.

most people run surge tanks cause of the wank factor

[Duncan]

agreed. no surge tank in my race car either.

road use....if you really are worried....keep it over 1/4 tank.

for those asking for the lid to be sold seperate....I bet it is worth at least half of the cost of the full kit. billet/cnc is never cheap

[Tweaky]

I think it is a great idea & would take the worry factor out if a copper pulls me over for a further look ! At the moment i have a surge tank & external fuel pump in the boot & can't stand the fuel smell when u first open up the car. Also alot safer & a bit more legal !!!!! Well worth the money i reckon .

Edited October 9, 2010 by Tweaky

[Tweaky]

Hey guys,

Just thought we'd give you a look at what we plan to release later this month.

Our 1000hp R32 GT-R intank kit is in the final testing stages now.

It's completely made here in Australia of CNC billet aluminium.

Includes all fittings, relay, fuel pumps, filters, Gates submersible hose

Say goodbye to fuel odour in the cabin, hello to quiet operation and of course no one will even know you have it.

Simply bolt it in and off you go!

It will be priced at $1280

Also in the pipework we have the same kit to suit R33 GT-R, R34 GT-R, R33 GTS-T, S13, S14, S15, 2001 onwards WRX, FD RX-7

www.powertune.com.au

When will you guys have a system ready for a R33 GTS-T available to buy ?

[PJ.]

Duncan, is that the same car you won the Supersprint championship with?

The factory Nissan baffle design is killer, not just in GT-R's! It is as good if not superior to an EVO. One our customers runs 1:04's around Wakefield with no surge tank and a single Walbro.

Godzilla was designed to be a giant killer in all aspects!

[Duncan]

yes, but it is only a production car.....even so it does pull some gs on good tyres.

I agree the factory design is among the best out there.....but if you need to do laps on 1/1th of a tank to save 5kg, then you will always need a surge tank.

[PJ.]

I agree the factory design is among the best out there.....but if you need to do laps on 1/1th of a tank to save 5kg, then you will always need a surge tank.

Which certainly wouldn't apply to the majority of GT-R's with decent power

Tweaky, still about 6-8 weeks away for the R33 GTS-T setup. Will let you guys know when it's ready

[johnnyt]

Johnny, compare it to a turbo for example, they give you its max hp rating, with the right supporting mods it's capable of that power.

Walbro's in single form for turbocharged or supercharged applications are rated to 500hp each, and I've seen them make that sort of power all day everyday.

Yogibear, as stated, it isn't going to be for everyone, and I'm up to scratch on how much parts and labour costs and how long a job like what you're doing takes, that's what I do for a living, dude.

If you can do the work yourself, everything will always work out cheaper for you. But if you want to take the guess work out, have something that bolts straight in, that nobody can see while being able to support your application and power level, then bingo. Want to do an all out circuit, track or drift car? Then no.

I know hundreds of guys with tough street cars (obviously more than just GT-R's) who go to the drags a couple of times a year, some just do events like Powercruise and Supernats and the rest of the times are happy to cruise the streets on the weekends, so something like this would suit them perfectly.

I have had one modified car surge on me, it was low on fuel. I was trying to take a sharp corner in a WRX like Ken Block, man was I trying though!

fair call, will you be offering the plates with larger outlets to those who do want larger feed lines?

also do the walbro's T in before the billet cap or are they individual outlets on the billet cap?

[PJ.]

At this stage we will not be offering larger ones, 2 x -6 feed lines is enough for plenty of power.

There are two serparate outlets for the pumps, Johnny.