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Lithium
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Hi all!   I've not really been active on this forum for some time and although I lurk in to read bits and pieces of interest I don't really think of this as a forum I'm part of but I once was and I di

R32 TT
R32 TT

Haha - yeah it could use some more boost Simon..  I'm sorry I've not put up Motec logs in the past for those who've wanted to see. Back at the time I did a bit of comparing because I did more or

Full-Race Geoff
Full-Race Geoff

mr skidz, your posts are coming off as trolling at this point.  do EFR people go into precision threads and talk about how great their mates setup is, but wont give any details??  whilst complaining t

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Just to keep the thread moving, scroll to post #144

http://www.gtr.co.uk...tt-t04z-10.html

It isn't an EFR in that photo Mike...It is a B/W factory BMW unit though.

We probably all could post photos of failed Garrett units as well and say the new GTX units are crap too if you like?:domokun:

GTScotT Grand Master

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Wonder when we will see photos of the failed BW 9180 then? :closedeyes:

Easy man... Theres always the possibility its a sore topic and it took the motor with it (if it was the case)

Beer Baron Grand Master

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geez there's some people quick to cut others down.

All I've been trying to do is keep people updated on what's going on and hopefully share some results. We had a failure that cut our testing/tuning short. It was not necessarily a defect or problem with the turbo so don't jump to conclusions. I didn't post any more than that because anything other than saying "we don't know" would just be speculation as to what happened and what was the cause. We had a few teething issues that were completely un-related to the turbo and then we had some that were related to the turbo (but to re-iterate until we know the cause it's not fair to just say it failed).

as for results being elusive... god if I had them I would post them. We have all been running around like mad the last week (and shit the last year for some of us) to get this going. We've had a few small hiccups but the short time we got with the turbo tells us it's exactly what we want.

Mark Berry's exact words were "this car will have a Borg Warner on it for the foreseeable future and the 9180 is THE turbo to have".

I don't think I have to air every little step we take in public so please understand there things I can share and things I can't. It's not about trying to hide stuff or be evasive it's just a fact that the development process is not always 100% for public consumption. We are dealing with peoples businesses and peoples hard work and sometimes stuff gets mis-interpreted or misquoted (like SkylineSky's quote 'from the tuners').

So everyone will just have to wait a little. We are not trying to cover stuff up. if the results were not good we'd still share them and then try and figure out why that was the case! This is not a component in isolation either. Don't forget that. We are not just testing this turbo on some kind of standardised test rig. it's going onto an engine in a car with dozens of other little components that can affect it's performance. On top of that we are dealing with prototype/test parts.

So for now the only results I can give you is that at lower boost levels (sub 2 bar) it was out performing our previous set-ups on the car. It exhibited amazing levels of response on the 3ltr to the point that Mark reckons a 9180 would even be fine to use on a track use RB26 as the lag would not be unacceptable.

Once WTAC is done we'll get back to testing the 9180 and there will be more results to share. There's only a lack of results at the moment due to lack of supply of 9180s which has been explained to death.

On a more note the car that is running the 6258s just hit the dyno for the first time. After last weeks nonsense I'm not game to post any 'preliminary' results yet so we'll just have to wait and see. :)

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It isn't an EFR in that photo Mike...It is a B/W factory BMW unit though.

We probably all could post photos of failed Garrett units as well and say the new GTX units are crap too if you like?:domokun:

Wow, defensive much? I am smart enough to realise that, my post was more of a pot stir to see what is going on with the R34 with EFR 9180. Obviously as HiOctane are dealers of B/W EFR turbos we (general public) probably will never know what happened... if anything.

FineLine Grand Master

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so why is it so damn hard to say the turbo failed. I had 4 garrets fail and joy of joys they took out 3 motors along the way.

Do I hate the product, No. I do hate the fact that garrets turbo selection process is as flawed as the 3 dollar notes I just made. Any negativity people will harbour toward borg warner will vanish like smoke once concrete results are forthcoming and, from my dealings with both Mark and Russ neither of them pull their shots. If its shit they will say so, If its shithot it will be on their car and their times will say so.

And yes Nismoid, of course I was pullin the piss, that joke has been around longer than me, You pricks dont have enough memory cells to think back that far.

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so why is it so damn hard to say the turbo failed.

it's hard to say because of what I explained above. think of it like this.

Sony give me a TV to test. It's going ok, then it fails. I can tell everyone my Sony tv failed and people will think badly of their product. What they don't know is I dropped a brick on the TV earlier that day whilst extending the wall in my mud hut so there's a fair chance that the reason it exploded when I switched it on was the brick I dropped on it damaged it. But then again, maybe it wasn't the brick I dropped on it, maybe another un-related part failed. Until Sony looks at it and until I tell them everything that happened whilst testing the TV no body knows how or why it failed. So to just tell people "my TV failed" automatically puts it in a negative light which might be grossly unfair. Once I know how and why it failed that's different, and even if it wasn't my brick that caused the TV to fail Sony might find the cause and explain "the internal tuner failed due to it picking up radio emissions from a moon module, we hadn't seen that before but we've since improved this part for the production models" and in that case even though it was a straight component failure I'd be able to explain what happened and how it's been addressed and people would be able to take that knowledge on board and make fairly accurate conclusions.

At this point nothing is known so as I said posting anything would just be pure 100% speculation which is a waste of time and possibly gives people the wrong idea. Once we have some conclusions I'm sure all involved would be happy to say what has happened. As for Mark's thoughts I can tell you straight from his mouth he's wrapped with the 9180 and that is what the car is going to have. I'm sure he'd post that himself but he's just a tad busy working his arse off to get his car ready for action. :)

Beer Baron Grand Master

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So let me get this straight. The house brick I bought with dodgey 3 dollar notes was hit by a moon module but I may still get warrantay because it had a faulty casting. :whistling:

whose to say if the house brick was hit by the moon module or if perhaps your house brick actually jumped off the floor and hit the module as it was minding it's own business mid-hover in your living room? I think your warranty will be paid but only in 3 dollar bills as per your original purchase.

There was a fault with the casting Rich, I am looking for a new source. :nyaanyaa:

lol, you are funny bugger. I never can stay mad at you.

just for you I'll say there's been nothing go wrong with the castings on any of the EFR turbos I've seen. but it's 100% behind the delay in supply. nothing really else we can say about it except hopefully their move in facilities etc has sorted it out and they'll be shooting out the door soon.

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Nice one Richard, was I too naive to think this forum was so that people could separate the facts from fiction... How silly of me to think that.

Simply the BW EFR is not ready for sale so until it is I think it would be prudent for the moderators to stop defending them until proven.

BTW dont worry about the front diffuser Im still waiting for you to let me know about, I got one freighted from Japan..

Dave

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