Performance Options?

[crazy_ado]

A friend of mine just gave me two peices of gear for my R33 (well my girlfriends R33)

A Blitz SBC i-color and

a Greddy eManage ultimate

Given that i am a skyline noob, is the R33 computer tunable or is it best to go with a piggy back setup?

What benefit is the SBC i-color going to provide other that boost control?

Any feedback would be appreciated............

[Madaz]

yes the eManage is a tunable piggy back

what else should a boost controller control it just does it electronically

[typevu]

It has fancy colours and graphics.

Did your friend give you those two things for free? Thats quite a nice friend you got!

[crazy_ado]

Thanks guys,

more questions,

Can you re map a R33 computer or do you need to run a piggy back setup?

What sort of power would you expect to see out of an RB25 with tuning mods?

What sort of boost will it handle with no internal mods?

Assuming it runs standard turbo with big front mount cooler, pipe work, exhaust you know just the usual stuff.

Any ideas appreciated........

[Madaz]

a little over 200rwkw with tuning

no you cant remap the RB25 ecu but there are options like the eManage you have

you will want a front mount intercooler, oil cooler if you plan to track it will help keep engine in good nick

[crazy_ado]

a little over 200rwkw with tuning

no you cant remap the RB25 ecu but there are options like the eManage you have

you will want a front mount intercooler, oil cooler if you plan to track it will help keep engine in good nick

Yeah cheers MADAZ,

Already had a front mount on it, you wouldn't happen to know a good place to install the eManage, best to get it done profesionally done i am assuming.

This may be a bit of a silly question but i am getting over 350rwkw out of my XR6T, i understand they are a bigger capacity motor but it is only with bolt on stuff, fuel pump, injectors, big cooler, flash tuner.

I guess the question is this, how hard would it be to acheive 300rwkw out or the little RB25??

[heslo]

Yeah cheers MADAZ,

Already had a front mount on it, you wouldn't happen to know a good place to install the eManage, best to get it done profesionally done i am assuming.

This may be a bit of a silly question but i am getting over 350rwkw out of my XR6T, i understand they are a bigger capacity motor but it is only with bolt on stuff, fuel pump, injectors, big cooler, flash tuner.

I guess the question is this, how hard would it be to acheive 300rwkw out or the little RB25??

Not very hard. Strap on a 3076 and profit

[crazy_ado]

Not very hard. Strap on a 3076 and profit

Yeah you might need to explain that in terms a skyline noob can understand lol

[Madaz]

a 3076 is a garret turbo 500hp

http://www.horsepowerinabox.com/HPIAB2/prod18.htm

[Race__24]

A friend of mine just gave me two peices of gear for my R33 (well my girlfriends R33)

A Blitz SBC i-color and

a Greddy eManage ultimate

Given that i am a skyline noob, is the R33 computer tunable or is it best to go with a piggy back setup?

What benefit is the SBC i-color going to provide other that boost control?

Any feedback would be appreciated............

Can you introduce me to your friend, I want a friend that will give me that sort of stuff!!!!

If it's the dual solenoid boost controller (type R) you have yourself one of the best boost controllers on the market.

And the Emanage Ultimate is the best piggy back on the market.

RB25s can be modified to be tune-able but an Emanage or Power FC is what most consider the better option due to the ease of tuning.

If you fit the boost controller you'll be able to safely run 10-11 PSI MAX on a standard turbo. The emanage will be able to compensate for the R&R (rich and retard) that happens with that sort of boost. It's probably not worth putting them on unless you have a free flowing exhaust on there already.

[SkyHi_33]

ecu options

rb25 ecu, external emulator needed. only person i know that does em is dr. drift in vic.

rb20 ecu with nisstune, common chip mod, loose vct

z32 ecu with nisstune, same as rb20 but with vct and direct support with z32 air flow meter which you will need for 300rwkw anyways (or q45 afm for 300+)

power fc, most common but no safe map... if it starts knocking and you dont realize or dont ahve ahand control unit it could end in disaster

microtech, haltech, motec whatever tech, stand alone ecu's most have a map sensor therefore no need for afm.

then you have your piggy backs like emanage or other jap stuff which are ok but the time and money youll spend getting it right might as well go nisstune/power fc

out of a standard turbo setup with exaust and cooler on 12psi you will get close to 200rwkw, a bit over with a re-tune

for 300rwkw youd be looking at fuel pump, air flow meter, injectors, turbo and some sort of ecu. I would also reccomend a metal head gasket. there is plenty of options on which turbo to go for... depends on what you want to use it for and how responsive you want it to be.

Edited November 8, 2010 by SkyHi_33

[crazy_ado]

Thank you for the feedback, always good to have options to consider.

[Nightcrawler]

With an un-forged bottom end your engine will not last terribly long at 300rwkw fyi.

[Krishy]

With an un-forged bottom end your engine will not last terribly long at 300rwkw fyi.

not if you change to E85

there are a few peeps on here making that power for a long time now

[Nightcrawler]

Adrian is the only one making that sort of power on a standard bottom end .... and how long till it goes boom? (mind you his only survives cos 1. he is a great tuner and 2. he can touch-up tune it whenever it suits him - unlike the rest of us). The engines are just not designed to hold that sort of power .... the RB26 however is a different kettle of fish

Plus to make that sort of power on an RB25 you have a lag monster on your hands .... unlike an XR6 with 350rwkw that pushes significantly more exhaust gas.

[Krishy]

Adrian isn't the only one i know off....Lee makes something like 356rwkw out of an unopened 25 as well...have seen that car around a lot

but i do see your point that a stock RB25 without forgies or head work making 300+ rwkw is a risk that it could let go any minute......to be able to push that much power make sure the ground work is there to support it

[(OO)Firty Free(OO)]

There will always be the knockers out there which is fine. Couple of things i have noted running E85 (please note this is my experience).

1. My car has been on E85 for a couple of years seeing plenty of road and dyno use and doesnt use a drop of oil.

2. Its 350rwkw or thereabouts

3. Its unopened

4. Max boost is all in by 3800rpm (23psi)

5. Its scary on street tyres

6. It puts a smile on my face every time i drive it.

7. Semi slicks still struggle in 3rd and 4th gears

8. It looks stock under the bonnet with stock mani's

9. Fuel lines are standard and are showing no sign of failure (Changed a couple filters first up tho)

10.Car has got next to no blow by(have never had to empty my catch can)

I could keep going but wont.

When my engine starts to get tired i can guarantee a Forged engine will not be on the shopping list.

Yes thats right a lowish k stocker for $1800 will be purchased.

[Madaz]

^^ food for thought for the price of a forged engine you could have 6.6 engines

my low km stocker cost me $1500 they do come cheaper

[crazy_ado]

Seems like i will need to spend bucket loads to a car that is still not as quick as my XR6T. Not really a fair comparison i guess given differences is engine capacity and turbo size.

For my 2cents it seems a bit redundant, what would be the benefit of me spending more on the R33 to get 300kw then i have to get 350kw out of my XR?????

[Madaz]

GT3076 e85 and bigger injectors = profit