Should A 300km Per Hour

[GTR32G]

I don't even get the point of this entire thread, or exactly what question the OP was asking? And I can't even read that ^^^^!

Its an on going topic that pops up in NSW Supersprint every few months, just seems to keep coming back and wont go away....................

[Doobs]

Cannot base it on cars capable of doing 300kph that would be pointless, needs to be based by lap time if anything.

Could have a car that is capable of doing 300kph on slicks that may lap slower than someone in a worked Honda Civic running slicks and no cage as well so why would the 300kph car need a cage and the Civic dose not?

At the end of the day if a 300kph supercar hit the wall at high speed on slicks as it laps 10 seconds a lap quicker than my Mazda R100 that is CAMS approved with an alloy roll cage and let’s face it’s not a strong car made from fibreglass who would be more likely to be hurt. I would say me in the Mazda, the 300kph car is quicker in a straight line but corner speeds are not far off, So even basing it on lap times would be hard to say who dose and doesn’t need a roll cage.

And if we are only talking about club level Supersprint lap dashes only, my answer would be NO for no cage, it will upset and annoy a lot of people if we need to put roll cages into our road cars, I will never fit one to my GTR just to do the odd Supersprint or lap dash.

Motorsport in dangerous we all know this, and yes if you have a big crash while doing a Supersprint you may get hurt. But we don’t plan on doing that and hope it never happens. Yes you need a roll cage when your racing in a race like sports sedan or Irace, as you spend a lot more time on the race track than someone just doing sprints so more likely to have crash. That’s how I see it.

The inertia from the greater weight in the supercar, means it will take more stopping than a purpose buit race car. So could possibly do more damage to other vehicles.

[GTR32G]

The inertia from the greater weight in the supercar, means it will take more stopping than a purpose buit race car. So could possibly do more damage to other vehicles.

supercar has a greater weight due to the safety built in like airs bags and triple panel structural sections from high grade strengthen steel. To knock my light weight race car with roll cage out the way and the supercar can keep going..........

Had to make some crap up LOL, it’s funny how this topic dose keep popping up on different forums.

[Marlin]

supercar has a greater weight due to the safety built in like airs bags and triple panel structural sections from high grade strengthen steel. To knock my light weight race car with roll cage out the way and the supercar can keep going..........

Had to make some crap up LOL, it’s funny how this topic dose keep popping up on different forums.

I wish it would go to another one!

[R32 Stuart]

Stuart, supersprints were invented for people who don't want to race, the category isnt about "racing" at all. It's built into the rules and enforced. Let's not try and push full CAMS regs onto our road cars. It's unfair and totally against the point of what that sport is about. Like i said, if you want real sports sedan racing, get a real sports sedan and go racing elsewhere. Type 4 in supersprints or other speed events isn't sports sedan racing, not by a long shot.\

i do wonder what's driving this recent benevolence towards speed event driver safety lately... seems to me a thinly veiled motivation to achieve something else.

Just buy an R35 stuart, you will love it. And i'm sure you could make one go faster than just about anyone out there.

Thanks Duncan

I am happy with my 32 and 33, good thing with the caged 33 I am eligible to run lots of classes and when I put slicks on I can go "racing" it even says so on the tyres.

[260DET]

Stuart, supersprints were invented for people who don't want to race, the category isnt about "racing" at all. It's built into the rules and enforced. Let's not try and push full CAMS regs onto our road cars. It's unfair and totally against the point of what that sport is about. Like i said, if you want real sports sedan racing, get a real sports sedan and go racing elsewhere. Type 4 in supersprints or other speed events isn't sports sedan racing, not by a long shot.\

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Exactly, why do people with race cars ie unregistered CAMS compliant cars used only for motorsport, want to participate in sprints anyway? Surely if you have a race car you want to race it door to door and not just do timed laps. Although I must say it is fun catching and passing race cars in your weekend road car

Edited November 8, 2010 by 260DET

[LSX-438]

Exactly, why do people with race cars ie unregistered CAMS compliant cars used only for motorsport, want to participate in sprints anyway? Surely if you have a race car you want to race it door to door and not just do timed laps. Although I must say it is fun catching and passing race cars in your weekend road car

There are no issues with race cars in sprints. The big problem (apparently) is that sprint rules are tilted to include road cars, and some with quasi race cars would rather the rules more closely mimmick CAMS regs. I just think we're comparing apples and pumkins really. That's not to say we shouldnt debate safety - just not like this.

[R32 Stuart]

Exactly, why do people with race cars ie unregistered CAMS compliant cars used only for motorsport, want to participate in sprints anyway? Surely if you have a race car you want to race it door to door and not just do timed laps. Although I must say it is fun catching and passing race cars in your weekend road car

Supersprints have classes for a reason, in NSW their is types 1, 2, 3 4, 5 and Type SV, so your saying my road registered R33 with a roll cage - CAMS complaint car - log booked shouldnt complete in supersprints, although legal to compete in Type SV, 4D and the new 4E - well bugger me the question originally asked is pretty much based on rules and eligability - there all available on the CAMs website, 90% of supersprints held are under CAMs rules / guidelines and yes a total mess.#

So u think any car with a log book should not run ! too bad if they enjoy supersprints or car testing & setup !

If you want to race the clock not other competitors, thats fine, if your tyres state for racing purpose only - what are they doing on your road car? And if they are, it should be eligable for class entered example 3D Race, 4D supersprint, 2A, ect.

I would have thought this was a very simple thread, I didn't say at any stage this was for beginners or F1 drivers, registered or unregistered cars, maybe pull up the rules for supersprints and what they are based on, and in 3 months time someone else will have something to say. All I ask look at the rules and eligibility prior.

Lastly, it might not be door to door racing - you are still racing the clock and therefore other competitors, if the tyres fitted suit the class entered so be it! but I suppose it is only the tyres that say for racing purpose only.

Be pretty crappy fields if Type 5s and proper race cars didnt turn up. I think you'd find most supersprints would be cancelled due to lack of entries. The original question stated club, state and national events.

Thanks guys

That will do from me - we have a supersprint to go to - all it be a national championship - some of us attending will do our best not to be "racing" but if on slicks I will have to give the clock a run for its money.

[DJRIFT]

so now what it reads like is you have sour grapes becasue someone rocked up to a super sprint and beat you using stuff you deem not to be eligable for super sprints.

anyway this thread sux

[R32 Stuart]

so now what it reads like is you have sour grapes becasue someone rocked up to a super sprint and beat you using stuff you deem not to be eligable for super sprints.

anyway this thread sux

Always thought you were blonde, I didn't get beat.

I and many congratulated LSX-438 for times acheived, you didn't read the question, you didn't understand the question, you don't like the thread don't reply

[warps]

People rocking up to race tracks in 300km/h cars with no safety gear = cleansing the gene pool

Bring it on, I say

(as long as they're not running in the same group as me)

[260DET]

Sounds like NSW is super intense concerning sprints, must be all that prize money and the F1 drive opportunity on offer What seems to get get lost in all this quest for glory is that sprints are, basically, for road cars and racing is for race cars.

Thank *** in Q we have AASA where everything is a bit more relaxed and we can (mostly) just get out there and have some fun with Street Sprints for the weekend toy boys and Race Sprints for the 'my car has a number' heroes. The main problem we find with 300kph supercars at Lakeside is that they hold everyone up around the back and then haul it along the straight so you can't get past.

[djr81]

The main problem we find with 300kph supercars at Lakeside is that they hold everyone up around the back and then haul it along the straight so you can't get past.

I think you will find it is pretty common. Usually the more expensive the car is the less inclined the driver is to have a proper go. I just wish the pushie mindset of most Porker owners would extend to them pushing the car hard around the track rather than pushing in front of people only to wobble around.

[LSX-438]

What seems to get get lost in all this quest for glory is that sprints are, basically, for road cars and racing is for race cars.

Exactly my point.

It's about taking your road car to the track, albeit with track tyres, and thrashing the crap out of it. Next to nobody running regularly in NSW sprints has anything remotely close to what you would consider a sports sedan. I dont even know why they call it Type 4.

[gtstcruiser67]

Just breezed through the thread on this debate trying to work out the point of it.

First: I dont understand why people label a race car against a street car. And why a race car is expected to be much quicker than a street car.

Second: Race cars/logged cars are not logged because they are super quick. They are logged based on safety requirements then by which class you wish to run.

I built a car which is basically only able to run in Production Sports 2A, AASA, Irace and a few other things. The car is not superquick only runs Semi's due to mechanical restraints but it has all the nessesary safety requirements for fire, brake failure , accidents and whatever else.

Third: Circuit racing does have a element of danger but I think Superspints are more dangerous due to the format. ITs basically a qualifying shootout on cold tyres which increases the risk of accident. As for Tarmac events, hillclimbs, these can be lethal. Note: The Euro world champ was killed earlier this year on a hillclimb event.

So if the question is should cars have a cage? Personally its your choice but dont dis people for choicing the safer path if thats their choice.

Should a car that can do 300kmh be allowed to race or compete in supersprints? Of course, they do now. Go to the historic meet at PI in MArch for an eye opener. The Lemans sports cars are doing 200mph on the straight, the F5000 are doing over 200mph in a aluminium can driven by businessmen, the CanAm cars are just as quick, lapping at V8SC times by 60yr old men. CanAm cars are aluminium cans with 600-900hp V8's in the back. Madman making a choice

http://www.youtube.com/user/SKR1967?featur...3/3/sYaoAyiGkHU

Thats my site where you will find more footage from these and other events.

One more point. As the Qld guy stated, they have an excellent train program up there which we can only dream about. This also highlights an important fact, training and driver education.

[ssxRicho]

..The main problem we find with 300kph supercars at Lakeside is that they hold everyone up around the back and then haul it along the straight so you can't get past...

sounds familiar...200kw GTST vs Audi, BMW, Porsche etc them doing 6 seconds a lap lower but 80kmh down the straight faster. Adds

to the excitement of the day. I'm there to have some fun and so are they, I wouldn't have it any other way. Lights on means get

the $!@% out of the way mr Audi, please remember.

Back to the OP. There is a fine line between safety and involvement in the sport. Regulating for ROPS in sprint events...fast cars must

have them, then everyone must have them. Then...no one turns up to the track days.

[GTR32G]

Come on Duncan my thing is a sports sedan, with its race numbers on the side and two tone paint, decked out with leaf spring rear suspension. All of it 200hp, a huge rear wing and its 5 times louder than your road car. So I should be able to win just have to kick everyone fast out of my class.... LOL

Only reason I bought the R100 to run in supersprints was it cheaper to run that the GTR and cost a lot less. I would love to go racing with it but can’t afford it so Im one of those people that bring a full on race car to sprints just to have some fun. But doing 1:07 around Wakefeild Park in 40 year car on slicks is not to shabby.

[LSX-438]

Come on Duncan my thing is a sports sedan, with its race numbers on the side and two tone paint, decked out with leaf spring rear suspension. All of it 200hp, a huge rear wing and its 5 times louder than your road car. So I should be able to win just have to kick everyone fast out of my class.... LOL

Only reason I bought the R100 to run in supersprints was it cheaper to run that the GTR and cost a lot less. I would love to go racing with it but can't afford it so Im one of those people that bring a full on race car to sprints just to have some fun. But doing 1:07 around Wakefeild Park in 40 year car on slicks is not to shabby.

Too true and i've seenthe photos of you up on two wheels to prove it.

It's all about fun, mostly.

[LSX-438]

Just breezed through the thread on this debate trying to work out the point of it.

First: I dont understand why people label a race car against a street car. And why a race car is expected to be much quicker than a street car.

Second: Race cars/logged cars are not logged because they are super quick. They are logged based on safety requirements then by which class you wish to run.

I built a car which is basically only able to run in Production Sports 2A, AASA, Irace and a few other things. The car is not superquick only runs Semi's due to mechanical restraints but it has all the nessesary safety requirements for fire, brake failure , accidents and whatever else.

Third: Circuit racing does have a element of danger but I think Superspints are more dangerous due to the format. ITs basically a qualifying shootout on cold tyres which increases the risk of accident. As for Tarmac events, hillclimbs, these can be lethal. Note: The Euro world champ was killed earlier this year on a hillclimb event.

So if the question is should cars have a cage? Personally its your choice but dont dis people for choicing the safer path if thats their choice.

Should a car that can do 300kmh be allowed to race or compete in supersprints? Of course, they do now. Go to the historic meet at PI in MArch for an eye opener. The Lemans sports cars are doing 200mph on the straight, the F5000 are doing over 200mph in a aluminium can driven by businessmen, the CanAm cars are just as quick, lapping at V8SC times by 60yr old men. CanAm cars are aluminium cans with 600-900hp V8's in the back. Madman making a choice

http://www.youtube.com/user/SKR1967?featur...3/3/sYaoAyiGkHU

Thats my site where you will find more footage from these and other events.

One more point. As the Qld guy stated, they have an excellent train program up there which we can only dream about. This also highlights an important fact, training and driver education.

It's just not practical for road cars to have a cage, period.

Sprints on cold tyres? What about 30 cars door to door battling for T1 on cold tyres.

I dont buy that argument (that sprints are more dangerous).

edit: btw that video was awesome.

Edited November 12, 2010 by LSX-438

[Nee-san]

It's all about fun, mostly.

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