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Ok,so new argumant came up.R34 GTR vs the mustang? Busy atm so can't search lap times.

Plus if you had a choice between the two which would you choose? (pretty obviouse but was asked by the retards).

Plus we have a hater on the forums and hes one of the retards

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set of sticky tyres and it would be. bet you can nearly buy all 4 standard tyres for the mustang for the price of 1 tyre for the GTR. this is why there is little point going off times of stock cars run by either car companies or even car mags. unless they fit the same tyres to both cars, it isn't really a true indication of the cars performance.

Nope a std R35 GTR would slam a std Mustang down the strip on any tyres u want.

Nope a std R35 GTR would slam a std Mustang down the strip on any tyres u want.

Careful with the choice of words! Standard Mustang meaning this one? Or one of the factory supercharged big V8s? :D

who really cares about drag times.

GTR was designed for track work and really to beat the 911 around the ring.

honestly the people who would rather the mustang, should have the mustang. if they don't understand why the GTR is so awesome, too bad for them, i wouldn't be trying to convince them of something that is kinda obvious.

Careful with the choice of words! Standard Mustang meaning this one? Or one of the factory supercharged big V8s? :D

Well we are talking about 2010 mustang. Which mustang came out of the factory with a supercharged V8?

who really cares about drag times.

GTR was designed for track work and really to beat the 911 around the ring.

honestly the people who would rather the mustang, should have the mustang. if they don't understand why the GTR is so awesome, too bad for them, i wouldn't be trying to convince them of something that is kinda obvious.

why does everyone have to get a boner over the GTR though? personally i think it is a hunk of crap and would take a vn commodore over one. i don't like it at all, and that is my personal opinion and i am allowed to have it and there is nothing you can say that will make me think otherwise. i don't expect people to share my opinion. if i won lotto i wouldn't even take one for a test drive. they have absolutely no appeal to me. sure it may be able to do some quick times around tracks, but i don't care about that. i don't care what the brochure says. i don't like the look of it, and i don't like the fact that in order to get it to do those times nissan tuned the motor up to a point where you need to service it everytime you reverse it out of the garage, and they fitted it with things that if you use you void the warranty.

why does everyone have to get a boner over the GTR though? personally i think it is a hunk of crap and would take a vn commodore over one. i don't like it at all, and that is my personal opinion and i am allowed to have it and there is nothing you can say that will make me think otherwise. i don't expect people to share my opinion. if i won lotto i wouldn't even take one for a test drive. they have absolutely no appeal to me. sure it may be able to do some quick times around tracks, but i don't care about that. i don't care what the brochure says. i don't like the look of it, and i don't like the fact that in order to get it to do those times nissan tuned the motor up to a point where you need to service it everytime you reverse it out of the garage, and they fitted it with things that if you use you void the warranty.

because it's an amazing work of engineering? unbelievably quick? faster then a 911?

though, not a huge fan of its looks. if i won a large amount of money, i might not buy one either however it's far better then the mustang.

because it's an amazing work of engineering? unbelievably quick? faster then a 911?

though, not a huge fan of its looks. if i won a large amount of money, i might not buy one either however it's far better then the mustang.

why is that some sort of achievment though?

the way i look at the GTR compared to it's rivals is this:

all other supercars are like a really hot chick that goes off in the sack. the GTR is like a sex doll that gets you off a bit faster but without all the passion. in my opinion it just doesn't have the raw emotion that other supercars, and even some non-supercars have. the mustang appeals to me much more than the GTR. hell even a v8 commodore or falcon does too.

who really cares about track times.

Mustang was designed for road driving and really to beat the Camaro at the traffic lights.

honestly the people who would rather the GTR, should have the GTR. if they don't understand why the Mustang is so awesome, too bad for them, i wouldn't be trying to convince them of something that you might have to give a little thought to.

FYP :)

There's two sides to this shit...the comparison should never be made in the first place. Not because one is necessarily better than the other in everything, but because they are very different vehicles.

Well we are talking about 2010 mustang. Which mustang came out of the factory with a supercharged V8?

GT500, and with tyres like the GTR wears I think you'll find quartermile times fairly close. Personal thing, but I know which one I'd rather be sitting in at the time :)

just show your mate this vid

not even close

and i don't like the fact that in order to get it to do those times nissan tuned the motor up to a point where you need to service it everytime you reverse it out of the garage, and they fitted it with things that if you use you void the warranty.

hahaha classic

my service intervals are every 10k kms just like other supercars, and launch control works with the vdc on in my car so all under warranty

my advice is to quit reading all the interweb hater speculating

but yes, about spot on opinion from someone who a) doesnt own one, and b) has never driven one

i hate 911 porsches, i dont know why everyone gets a hard on over them. The engine is the wrong place for perfect weight balance right, and that flat 6 engine is so puny next to my mates big 6.0l v8 ute, and i watched this video on the internet where jeremy clarkson doesnt like them and they had this argument over it and jeremy clarkson won..... yawn

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It must be really easy to make a car go as hard as 911 for 1/3 of the price. I'd like to see your VN commo do that.

But of course soul and passion are better than performance. Have you even driven a GTR?

Cars need passion. I need a car with passion and raw emotion. Who cares about performance.http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

why is that some sort of achievment though?

the way i look at the GTR compared to it's rivals is this:

all other supercars are like a really hot chick that goes off in the sack. the GTR is like a sex doll that gets you off a bit faster but without all the passion. in my opinion it just doesn't have the raw emotion that other supercars, and even some non-supercars have. the mustang appeals to me much more than the GTR. hell even a v8 commodore or falcon does too.

It must be really easy to make a car go as hard as 911 for 1/3 of the price. I'd like to see your VN commo do that.

But of course soul and passion are better than performance. Have you even driven a GTR?

Cars need passion. I need a car with passion and raw emotion. Who cares about performance.http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

isnt soul and passion just dealer buzz words for branded merchandise and engine out cam belt changes every 15k kms

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R35 owners CANNOT claim passion, im sorry but all a GTR driver does is pin the throttle to the floor and let the computer do everything else, sure to got really quick in them it requires skill, but most rich kids can go fast in one and say look at how awesome I am.

If I had 180k to spend on a car, I would buy a Canterham R500 for track days and a 71 Mach 1 Mustang with a 428 in it for street/strip fun.

And still have money left over for coke and whores.

but yes, about spot on opinion from someone who a) doesnt own one, and b) has never driven one

Yeah...I was respecting the opinion until this point mate. Getting pretty sick of the "you must not have driven or owned one" rhetoric from R35 owners. Believe it or not there are some people who legitimately don't like the R35, and yes, have test driven the thing. It's always the first "comeback" or "assumption" to be made whenever someone criticises the vehicle, that the "hater" must be a non-owner...well no shit Sherlock...you're not going to buy the vehicle if you don't like it, are you? So does this render their opinion worthless? I'd value it over someone potentially living in post-purchase dissonance.

Yeah...I was respecting the opinion until this point mate. Getting pretty sick of the "you must not have driven or owned one" rhetoric from R35 owners. Believe it or not there are some people who legitimately don't like the R35, and yes, have test driven the thing. It's always the first "comeback" or "assumption" to be made whenever someone criticises the vehicle, that the "hater" must be a non-owner...well no shit Sherlock...you're not going to buy the vehicle if you don't like it, are you? So does this render their opinion worthless? I'd value it over someone potentially living in post-purchase dissonance.

Its just justifying spending nearly 200 large on a Nissan

just show your mate this vid

not even close

hahaha classic

my service intervals are every 10k kms just like other supercars, and launch control works with the vdc on in my car so all under warranty

my advice is to quit reading all the interweb hater speculating

but yes, about spot on opinion from someone who a) doesnt own one, and b) has never driven one

i hate 911 porsches, i dont know why everyone gets a hard on over them. The engine is the wrong place for perfect weight balance right, and that flat 6 engine is so puny next to my mates big 6.0l v8 ute, and i watched this video on the internet where jeremy clarkson doesnt like them and they had this argument over it and jeremy clarkson won..... yawn

i have no desire to own one, or even drive one for that matter, so you can feel free to get back to wanking off over your GTR, because you can say anything you like but i'm not going to change my mind and that is my whole point. i don't care about how fast some pro driver can manage to drive it round some track in a totally different country. i don't like the exterior, i don't like the interior. i just don't like anything about the car at all.

you are saying you don't like the 911 when others do, and i'm simply saying i don't like the GTR while others do. but thank you for taking the time out of your day to come on here and defend your car against some unknown person who's opinion differs to yours. i hope you feel better after having done so.

and i'm sure the tiny little motor is small when compared with a 6.0L v8, but that is a pretty stupid thing to say. capacity wise they are only 200cc less than a r35.

It must be really easy to make a car go as hard as 911 for 1/3 of the price. I'd like to see your VN commo do that.

But of course soul and passion are better than performance. Have you even driven a GTR?

Cars need passion. I need a car with passion and raw emotion. Who cares about performance.http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

just remember that point if you ever have a discussion about the r32 at bathurst. the r32 GTR was a $100,000 road car when it raced, up against $50,000 or less cars, so just the platform that they were basing the cars off was at least twice the price, so of course it would be a better car when it was done. it's like making a race car out of a skyline and putting it against a race car made out of a festiva.

i'm sure if you spent 130k doing up a vn you would have something that would beat a GTR.

but i'm getting off topic.

this is a silly comparison on so many levels

V8 Vs I6 Twin Turbo

$30 000 Vs $70 000 (US)

RWD Vs AWD

Family Sports car Vs Supercar

Its like comparing a

Monaro Vs 911 or

comodore ss Vs Gallardo

Like comparing an SS to a Gallardo? Really??

Oh, I hope you are aware that Nissan stopped using inline 6's nearly 10 years ago

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