2011 F1 Thread

[Nee-san]

^^ that's a bit harsh. Especially speaking of someone who has passed. Not cool.

Dezz isn't speaking directly about Senna being a flamin mongrel, but certainly in his life he pulled some major flamin mongrel acts, one that comes to mind was driving up the back of Prost at Suzuka, on purpose.

Anyway, fact remains, want to be famous and remembered as a god ? Die young, and it's not just racing drivers that this happens to.

Hero worship is actually a rather weird phenomenon.

[hrd-hr30]

^^ huh? Who here is calling Schumacher the C word?

You are implying that Senna is only considered the greatest ever because he died young and at the wheel of an F1 car?

That's a pretty twisted perception you have!

I don't think its so twisted. If it were not the case, people would have been celebrating him as the greatest ever when he was alive and racing. They weren't, because at the time he and Prost were pretty evenly matched. So 'evenly' in fact, that both years they were team-mates, Prost outscored Senna.

[FineLine]

Agree with Harry. Senna looked spectacular becuase he drove beyond the limit. It was always going to look spectacular but in no way indicated that he was some super talent head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

His career was always going to be a short one and thankfully he didnt end other driver's careers in the process of plastering his arse all over the fence.

[Nee-san]

In other news,

Most overrated and undeserving world champion slates another world champion for being overrated and undeserving.

Jacques Villeneuve had this (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93714) to say about Kimi Raikkonen.

Agree about Massa, but what a f**king chode smoker.

[Galois]

If anything, f1 is more about luck than driver skill. Luck that people ahead of you make mistakes or have failures, luck that you're in the right team, luck that the car is setup better than others, luck that your teams car is set up better for you then your team mates. In the end, the points don't lie.

[NickR33]

Cars where different in Senna's era... he certainly was brave, a lot more so than many of the current drivers... car safety was a joke in his day and the cars were ridiculously powerful... and he drove beyond the limit as already mentioned which is great for spectators and goes a long way to inspiring the passion he did (and he was from Brazil, they're an excitable bunch)

his early death means that he didn't get bored with retirement and decide to come back and suck, therefore hurting his unbeatable mystique

plus women loved him because he was a handsome bastard no homo

[Beer Baron]

dunno if I'd called senna 'handsome'. he had some pull with the chicks no doubt but I don't think it was his stunning looks.... more his stunning pay packet and world wide fame.

[tweety bird]

i thought Jacques Villeneuve was dead.

[ctjet]

Rubens gets paid pretty well... seen his wife?

Schui's wife? Would you marry the whore of the paddock?

Dont kid yourself, Senna was a good looking boy. He's no dreamy Jenson Button though

[PHaT MR30]

I would say the pick of the F1 WAGs would be Timo Glocks g/f Isabell Reis

[Nee-san]

i thought Jacques Villeneuve was dead.

Different Villeneuve, if only we could swap them...

[tweety bird]

Different Villeneuve, if only we could swap them...

ok then

[Nee-san]

ok then

Was his old man but.

[Galois]

Gilles Villeneuve was Jacque's father. The crash that killed him is on youtube, pretty horrifying stuff.

[tweety bird]

i won't google it then.

so is/was his son a f1 driver.

[Galois]

Should have mentioned above, Jacque Villeneuve won the 1997 World Championship.

[mad082]

jacque was a f1 driver. won the world championship in 97 (not sure if other years as well) despite schumachers best attempt to put him out of the race (since schumacher was also in the running for the championship and was leading the last race until a mechanical failure caused him to start slowing down, so he rammed into the side of jacque when he overtook him - same as what he did to damon hill back in 94 in the hope that he wouldn't be able to finish the race)

as for senna, had he not died when he did i highly doubt he would be remembered in the same way he is. there are plenty of living former drivers who had the same sort of dazzling career but aren't spoken about with as much awe because they then had low parts of their career.

[ctjet]

Keep in mind that Senna was 34 when he died, so as horrible as it was was, he's F1 career was much closer to its end than you might think. Its not as if he had two or three good years, had his crash and we therefore missed out on a young talent.

Most guys are long retired by their mid thirties, so i like to think that we got the the best years out of him, and then had a tragic end to a great story.

[Marlin]

Haters.

I'm old enough to know that we're not looking back through rose colored glasses at Senna's career. He was hero worshipped when he was alive, I'd venture to say worshipped more than any driver prior, so it's not a James Dean style thing.

The only one who came close in his generation was Prost.

Senna was awesome behind the wheel, yes he may have had some judgement failures, many do, but he was awesomely quick, and will always be one of the greatest in my mind.

Edited August 12, 2011 by Marlin

[sh@un]

Wonder what Schumi's win tally would now look like if Senna had have been around to race him for 5 or 6 additional years?

But anyway- It is what it is.