2011 F1 Thread

[zebra]

FFS Does it really matter

[sav man]

Once he'd committed to the gap there wasn't much he could do, Senna had 2 wheels off the track trying to avoid the contact, which combined with getting air on the ripple strip made lose steering. All I've been saying is that, in my opinion, that's a more justified racing incident than what schumacher did, and the two drivers are very different. Some people will always say there is no justification for a crash or a close call, others say that it's just part of racing and the drivers' personalities. The worst of senna's behaviour is slightly comparable to the better of schumacher's controversial moves.

You seem to be forgetting the fact that before the race he said he'd run into Prost if he beat him to the first corner. From memory it was in protest to the pole sitter being put on the dirty side of the track.

[Marlin]

Harry, are you on the blob?

[scarface_au]

I find it f**king HILARIOUS that the same people that are openly smoking Senna's pole are the very same people that can't wait to crucify Schumacher.

I guess it's ok to openly admit to causing accidents and taking people out of races in order to win a race/championship, so long as you die in a race at some point.

It was realising that that made me ease up on Schumacher a bit ... I still don't love the guy but like Senna, there's no denying his talent, back in the day at least.

The other thing they had in common besides talent was total ruthlessness. Senna DID drive Prost off the road at Turn 1 in Suzuka, he admitted as much. Both Schumacher and Senna would do anything to win, whether or not it was legal.

Senna is still the better driver IMHO, he just didn't win as many races because he had better opponents.

[scarface_au]

Just read something in an article about an Aston Martin DB6. Apparently some bloke called Peter Robinson is building a motorsport resort, including a full GP circuit, out at Bacchus Marsh. Anyone know more, or is it just crap?

[zebra]

Cant see it happening in Aus...hell even the burgerring one is struggling

[hrd-hr30]

No Ben, just calling out someone taking the usual stab at Ferreri only winning because they have the most money.

And the Senna thing has always pissed me off. He wasn't really even the standout of his era, let alone of all time. There was a whole host of drivers that could mix it up with him. Its just the power of the media.

[Marlin]

Did you ever see footage of Senna back in his Kart days?

[zebra]

No Ben, just calling out someone taking the usual stab at Ferreri only winning because they have the most money.

And the Senna thing has always pissed me off. He wasn't really even the standout of his era, let alone of all time. There was a whole host of drivers that could mix it up with him. Its just the power of the media.

Well for starters I'm a huge Ferrari fan.

So next time instead of having a brain explosion, take a breath and realise this is the internet.

[Galois]

Did you ever see footage of Senna back in his Kart days?

YES! One of my favourite clips, have watched it literally dozens of times.

Their control is at truly ridiculous levels!

[chuckie]

G`day Lads,

Senna ,i was lucky to have grown up in Norfolk LOTUS country,

& work with guys that RUN SENNA in F1 JPS days

He was OBSESSED WITH WINNING AT ALL COSTS,

the day he puntted prost off in Japan was sign of what he was about,

HONDA`S buget for 2 cars for season was 97millon pounds they had a store stacked with F1 engines for 1 team only

not sure how long most of you have been in to F1s,

but watching for 35+ years now,

& having worked in FF1600s,OPEL/LOTUS series,

seeing DC in 87 win starof tomorrow champoinship,

few others about to,

we did 8 gps surport racing in uk germany france & so on,

seeing what the cars were about & NOW is a big difference,

YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS CAR YOUR IN,look at Prost & mansell in Ferrari Prost won Tittle MANSELL broke his car most outings ,

LOTS of guys that were great drives never had opportunity to get F1 seat due to FUNDING,

its all about funds who has & rest of wanttobes,

i see many RATE Drivers ,

hard to do as many drive poor cars & have bad luck.

Lets Hope rest of season will be an enjoyable one & see it go down to wire again

[ctjet]

why does that seem spammy

[dezz]

Once he'd committed to the gap there wasn't much he could do, Senna had 2 wheels off the track trying to avoid the contact, which combined with getting air on the ripple strip made lose steering. All I've been saying is that, in my opinion, that's a more justified racing incident than what schumacher did, and the two drivers are very different. Some people will always say there is no justification for a crash or a close call, others say that it's just part of racing and the drivers' personalities. The worst of senna's behaviour is slightly comparable to the better of schumacher's controversial moves.

Also when senna pulled over to help a fellow racer it was a more dangerous time, when people died more often. There was a big steam/smoke signal to slow drivers down and senna was hardly parked in the middle of the track. It doesn't look like there was anything but safety dictating his actions.

People's opinions will always vary on this, and have since 1990.

For the record I do think schumacher is a good driver and that many of his victories were great drives, I also think he has done some brutal and shifty things on track that few other drivers would even contemplate, and that any decent driver given #1 status with ferrari from 2000-2004 had a great chance at championship wins.

Meh to each their own

Ah sorry, I guess all the F1 experts, including Martin Brundle who drove with him, must be wrong...Hell, even Senna himself must've been wrong.

If you actually believe what you wrote in that first paragraph, you're a moron.

As for Senna pulling over, I think you've missed my point. In those days, regulations and safety were not exactly top priority. These days that stuff is less likely to happen. Not only that, but with the cars being infinitely safer than they were back then, passing drivers would have far less reason to believe that the driver involved is seriously hurt, or that them pulling over would do anything more than get in the way of the trained medical professionals who are on site to deal with those exact incidents.

Note the key point there.

Toyota.

bah, everyone remembers and glorifies Senna because the media does, and has been beating it into them for the past 17years. End of story.

mix that with the nostalgia of the 'good ol days' and he's gone from someone known during his career as a fierce rival for Prost and who really only beat Prost because he'd either crash into him or slam the door to make Prost avoid a crash, to some sort of martyred F1 saint.

why does that seem spammy

The terrible use of the English language?

[wolverine]

Toyota prove that money alone is not going to get you anywhere.

Regularly outspent each years champion team (substantially I may add) for pretty much every year they were in the competition.

...and then hired Ralf?!?!

Go figure. That's like hiring Angelina Jolie's brother as a grid girl.

[Galois]

Ah sorry, I guess all the F1 experts, including Martin Brundle who drove with him, must be wrong...Hell, even Senna himself must've been wrong.

If you actually believe what you wrote in that first paragraph, you're a moron.

Easy, no need to get personal. You've clearly been into f1 longer than me, but that doesn't mean any opinions of mine that vary from yours are wrong. I haven't seen Senna admit fault, I guess that's my bad. Without him admitting fault, (to me) it looks that once Senna had committed to the gap, and Prost turned in, what was he supposed to do? Prost sure didn't leave enough room for an f1 car there, so I guess it was to Senna to back off the throttle? (Which was never going to happen).

Quite the opposite of the McLaren drivers atm lol.

Anyways, though I didn't watch him drive, I don't think senna is quite on the same level as schumacher, he wasn't disqualified from a championship for example, and senna's introductions in books/articles etc don't usually start with "love him or hate him" etc. I didn't realise how brutal senna was, well not in the context with schumacher. But I don't think they are on the same level... Noone has gone to the extremes that schumacher has to win.

Anyways, the last couple of pages remind me of:

http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2010/10/someone_is_wrong_on_the_internet1.jpg

Maybe talk should turn to turkeey?

[N1GTR]

Yeah let's talk the sphincter of the universe.

RBR Preview is out now on their site

[sh@un]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_rJH9XVIQA&feature=related

the full in-car version of that MP4/4 quali lap at Monaco is bullshit good

[ctjet]

Apparently the fuzz are bringing massive updates this weekend. They have a decent gap to try to close, and with testing, I can't see them catching the vettel.

Looking forward to the pit stop challenge again, istalbul park is a tyre killer. Turn 8 after 50 laps should be very good viewing

[hrd-hr30]

I haven't seen Senna admit fault, I guess that's my bad. Without him admitting fault, (to me) it looks that once Senna had committed to the gap, and Prost turned in, what was he supposed to do? Prost sure didn't leave enough room for an f1 car there, so I guess it was to Senna to back off the throttle? (Which was never going to happen).

here's one of many sources, a 1991 interview with Senna:

http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft00090.html

All right, if tomorrow Prost beats me off the line, at the first corner I will go for it, and he better not turn in because he is not going to make it.

it was partly a 'square up' for the previous year and partly a petulant sook at having to start from the dirty side of the track. either way its a premeditated decision to take another driver out if they get in front. What a champion.

So that's how he secured one championship, another he won with less points than Prost because they only counted the best 11 (from 16) results back then! WTF? And the 3rd all his rivals had at least 5 retirements and he only suffered 1.

Edited May 4, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[sh@un]

...and then hired Ralf?!?!

Ironic thing is Ralf's quite a successful DTM racer. Shows the gulf in the comparative skill level required for competitiveness in F1 and a prod-car derived racing category, I guess.