2011 F1 Thread

[Beer Baron]

Refueling would solve so many problems. Two, three or four stints where cars are driving flat out rather than circulating to manage fuel, tyres, engines and gearboxes.

for sure. no refuelling is killing the races. making them into a very predictable thing strategy wise. you start slow, get faster. previously you got to chose when you were fast and when you were slow and if you had really big balls or your car suffered under heavy weight, you could do 1 extra stop and not have to carry a big load of fuel at any point in the race. as long as you could make the most out of that pace with good track position and good run through traffic.

anyway, race was boring as fk. I was glad when it was finished and I could get back to 1988. I'm up to round 4 Mexico city. so far prost won race 1 in brazil, senna won race 2 at Imola and would have won race 3 at monaco but stuck it in the barrier 10 laps from the end (with a 50 second lead over p2!) and gifted the win to prost. race 4 at mexico and senna is on pole again, 4 races, 4 poles. racing is good through the field too. senna v prost for p1 and p2, then you have berger, nanini, boutsen, albereto, piquet, mansell etc fighting for the rest of the points. good variety in donks with tiny little 1.5L V6 and 4 cyl turbo engines leading the way despite being knobled with a 2.5bar pop-off valve (osella even have a 1.5L V8 turbo! though to be fair they barely qualify most weekends) on them with NA 3.5L V8s holding their own this year against most turbos except the maclaren honda's really.

good times.

[Marco-R34GTT]

That whole race weekend was complete arse...

I miss v10s.

I miss refueling.

I miss testing.

I miss the competition between Bridgestone and Michelin.

I can't stand how drivers are now being totally compelled to drive to conserve and nothing else.

I can't stand these new tires, kers and DRS. It feels so effing artificial...

Edited June 27, 2011 by Marco-R34GTT

[Marco-R34GTT]

on them with NA 3.5L V8s holding their own this year against most turbos except the maclaren honda's really.

good times.

The Newey designed, Judd powered Leyton House/March car by any chance???

[Beer Baron]

well honda maclaren were the top of the tree still running a 1.5 V6T, ferrari were pretty good and had a 1.5 turbo which I think was V6 too, beneton where the team I was thinking of with the 3.5L ford V8 (a number of teams where using various different spec ford 3.5V8s). they were finally able to keep up with most of the turbos (except maclaren who smashed everyone) with nannini and boutsen well up the order most weekends.

but yeah capelli in the march was doing pretty well too in 88 with a few podiums from memory. but mauricio gulglemain (forgive the spelling) was just so so at best. and both of them failed to finish a shitload of races. I think the judd V8 was ok, the ford V8 was pretty good in the top spec, even the megatron (lol) V8 in the arrows was up there for pace.

it was an interesting year. but it showed even heavily restricted the turbo engines were still good enough to beat the 3.5L NA V8s...

[sh@un]

How in the fcuk are places like this and hungary allowed to be apart of the calander.

Weird place Valencia- Some of the camera angles/aerial shots make it look like Spain's version of Monte, and then other parts of the track look for all the world like Port Botany.

Lastly, DRS is as shitful a Ecclestone... if DRS must be used, can we at least have it available on corners?

a reduction in downforce would be fulleh awesome for your cornering speed

[Nee-san]

well honda maclaren were the top of the tree still running a 1.5 V6T, ferrari were pretty good and had a 1.5 turbo which I think was V6 too, beneton where the team I was thinking of with the 3.5L ford V8 (a number of teams where using various different spec ford 3.5V8s). they were finally able to keep up with most of the turbos (except maclaren who smashed everyone) with nannini and boutsen well up the order most weekends.

but yeah capelli in the march was doing pretty well too in 88 with a few podiums from memory. but mauricio gulglemain (forgive the spelling) was just so so at best. and both of them failed to finish a shitload of races. I think the judd V8 was ok, the ford V8 was pretty good in the top spec, even the megatron (lol) V8 in the arrows was up there for pace.

it was an interesting year. but it showed even heavily restricted the turbo engines were still good enough to beat the 3.5L NA V8s...

Is that the Benetton's with the delicious hypercolour 80's livery's ?

[JAS-25T]

Jase, Ill buy you a bottle of Islay if you throw a rock at Vetool.

oh lawd.

make sure you write "SAU rocks" on it in case it makes it on tv...

cwatididthere

I'll try my best. maybe try and use a piece of the berlin wall

[Marco-R34GTT]

I'll try my best. maybe try and use a piece of the berlin wall

The German superkid struck by a piece of the iron curtain... It would be such a painful irony lol!

[Galois]

Boring race at a boring track. Why do i watch valencia every year? So all the effort into drs, tyres, kers still couldn't liven up a boring track. Downforce ruins racing.

I look forward to the turbo engines, but that might be because a significant change like that might mix things up a bit. Just because they go turbo now doesn't mean they won't go back to NA one day. I think I only watched 2-3 seasons of the v10's, but once hamilton said eau rouge was "easy flat" in the v8 these engines were ruined for me. They just took away the excitement, the aero is too much for the power.

[ctjet]

I dont think that turbos will make it interesting straight off the bat. Some teams will struggle and some teams will react brilliantly.

I think ferrari deal very well with the change and snag at least a few championshiips out of it. It looks to be thier only life line, because currently, they're fcuked without it.

It looks like we may have a few one sided seasons ahead. After this one sided season is over, of course

[wolverine]

Valencia coverage needed more of the chicks in the pool.

[Beer Baron]

Is that the Benetton's with the delicious hypercolour 80's livery's ?

yep, these ones. dunno if I'd called it hyper colour. back in the 80s it was UCB...united colors of benneton... lol.

ye olde F1 engine!

Man old F1 cars are just so cool. one day I will own a 80s/90s F1 car!! I have to.

[djr81]

But maybe (politely) you've missed the point- By mandating a formula that has some development relevance to mass-market manufacturers (i.e: hi-po small turbo 4's), the FIA actually encourages some involvement in F1 by volume manufacturers through tangible development benefits?

Euro V combined-cycle tests probably hold little relevance to ~800hp 19,000rpm limited N/A V8's...

I couldnt give a rats about manufacturer involvement in F1. They come & go as they please. F1 appears to be going ok given Honda, Toyota, Ford, BMW have all bailed out.

Euro V compliance has no relevance to any engine used in motor sport.

[Nee-san]

I couldnt give a rats about manufacturer involvement in F1. They come & go as they please. F1 appears to be going ok given Honda, Toyota, Ford, BMW have all bailed out.

Euro V compliance has no relevance to any engine used in motor sport.

Seriously why do people even try and bother to draw parallels between road cars and formula 1 cars when there is none other then they run an ICE and have 4 wheels.

Something like what group A was is right up that alley....

or even duh duh duh ! production car racing !

[Angus Smart]

will teams be using existing turbos? or be making their own?

[N1GTR]

Hoping they cant use their own and have to align themselves with major manufacturers - force the turbo companies to do more R and D on turbo frames suited to 700/800hp.

Well, at least thats the hope!

[Galois]

Hoping they cant use their own and have to align themselves with major manufacturers - force the turbo companies to do more R and D on turbo frames suited to 700/800hp.

Well, at least thats the hope!

That could be very interesting, but would that technology ever filter down to road cars? I mean road going turbos just don't need to survive the bashing f1 engines would give, it might just end up being specialised, independent technology

[Nee-san]

yep, these ones. dunno if I'd called it hyper colour. back in the 80s it was UCB...united colors of benneton... lol.

ye olde F1 engine!

Man old F1 cars are just so cool. one day I will own a 80s/90s F1 car!! I have to.

Naughty blown exhaust ! haha.

Nice pics, "snaked"

Lol can you imagine the regs "must run turbo from the Garrett GT40 range...

[sh@un]

Nice McLaren badges on the Ford V8's cam covers.

[N1GTR]

Nice fuel pump, looks like the Bosch 044 most of us run today

Love the oil cooler setup for the diff, very neat

That looks like a dorian timer on the back aswel - bit pov pack compared to the rest of the gear there