World Time Attack Challenge 2011

[Marlin]

I can think of a couple of cars in the open class that wouldnt be out of place in Pro Ben.

ohhh me too! The line is very blurry for me between what consitutes a Pro Class and vice versa.

[FineLine]

ohhh me too! The line is very blurry for me between what consitutes a Pro Class and vice versa.

Another option would be too cut the number of sessions for the pro guys and increase the sessions for the open and clubman cars.

Its obvious the pro cars cant utilise all the time they are given but the other guys would relish more track time.

[hrd-hr30]

Who is Jamie Coote?

It's Murray's car, Josh is his son, and they had the young Kiwi fella Earl Bamber driving, who, by all accounts is the next big thing if given half a chance and super easy to get along with and mega quick.

I want to see the hammerhead at Lakeside! JapNats is coming...

Edited August 9, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[MattR]

this is what carsales had to say about the event;

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2011/sports/wta-challenge-2011-records-tumble-at-eastern-creek-26114

[Marlin]

I want to see the hammerhead at Lakeside! JapNats is coming...

It would be awesome!

And Harry, that car was originally going to be Marray's new gravel rally car, but he got a little excited about this Time Attack thing and it kind of changed course. haha

[Beer Baron]

Who is Jamie Coote?

It's Murray's car, Josh is his son, and they had the young Kiwi fella Earl Bamber driving, who, by all accounts is the next big thing if given half a chance and super easy to get along with and mega quick.

hmm, sorry I thought it was josh's car (too many knocks had me calling him jamie not josh. sorry).

and yeah earl drove the wheels off it. all round awesome effort on what I imagine was not a massive budget, just lots of know how.

[FineLine]

I want to see the hammerhead at Lakeside! JapNats is coming...

Unless its sprints you might get protests from other competitors having to run door to door with blades sticking half a metre out of each side of the car.

[MacGillaZ]

because they're not semi slicks.

If a tyre is DOT certified doesn't that make it road legal somewhere in the world; thus a semi? (serious question not a sacastic remark)

If you're going to the extremes of saying that even they're if DOT approved it's not a 'true' semi, I would raise what is the point of these ultra ultra soft 1 lap qualifying wonder tyres, except as a supplier you're going to get more people buying more of them to be competitive ... /sarcasm

Point is that the big boys are most likely going to have some sponsorship with tyres so the relevance is lost in out-right times. It's more so in the Open Class, where by 'joe citizen' is likely to gain better times with more track lapping (especially the Interstaters without local track knowledge) with a DOT R6 or Z214 as they are a more consistent tyre which are more readily available in the different sizes required by non off the shelf circuit sprint cars. This is compared to the way it currently is with he/she who has the most money to throw new uber tyres at their car each session (on top of their car build) will more than likely go quicker, just by virtue of always having better grip.

Maybe another Class between Open/Club would be good with the driver limitations of Clubsprint, to help separate the larger budgets of the "Pro Class" Open Teams with the backyarders that want to run non-road tyres. The separation of Workshop Class from the Privateers in their own cars could be just in the Classification of the Results, ie still running them in the same manner, just that the abilities of those punching above their weight would be very clear and would encourage more people to look at Open Privateer. Likewise push more of the "Open Workshop" Teams into Pro and run more Pro Grouped Sessions with less time, as currently they are not utilising all the time they currently have available.

The organisers have a year to make their decisions on next year (which I'm sure they'll be doing) and they have to make decisions that are best for the event and their sponsors, which is critical for the event to run rather than getting person X or Y to compete.

[Marlin]

If a tyre is DOT certified doesn't that make it road legal somewhere in the world; thus a semi? (serious question not a sacastic remark)

If you're going to the extremes of saying that even they're if DOT approved it's not a 'true' semi, I would raise what is the point of these ultra ultra soft 1 lap qualifying wonder tyres, except as a supplier you're going to get more people buying more of them to be competitive ... /sarcasm

Point is that the big boys are most likely going to have some sponsorship with tyres so the relevance is lost in out-right times. It's more so in the Open Class, where by 'joe citizen' is likely to gain better times with more track lapping (especially the Interstaters without local track knowledge) with a DOT R6 or Z214 as they are a more consistent tyre which are more readily available in the different sizes required by non off the shelf circuit sprint cars. This is compared to the way it currently is with he/she who has the most money to throw new uber tyres at their car each session (on top of their car build) will more than likely go quicker, just by virtue of always having better grip.

Maybe another Class between Open/Club would be good with the driver limitations of Clubsprint, to help separate the larger budgets of the "Pro Class" Open Teams with the backyarders that want to run non-road tyres. The separation of Workshop Class from the Privateers in their own cars could be just in the Classification of the Results, ie still running them in the same manner, just that the abilities of those punching above their weight would be very clear and would encourage more people to look at Open Privateer. Likewise push more of the "Open Workshop" Teams into Pro and run more Pro Grouped Sessions with less time, as currently they are not utilising all the time they currently have available.

The organisers have a year to make their decisions on next year (which I'm sure they'll be doing) and they have to make decisions that are best for the event and their sponsors, which is critical for the event to run rather than getting person X or Y to compete.

The tyres that the "big boys" are using are exactly what you and I can buy off the shelf. They're not specials, or super-duper softs, they just used in a way that makes them wear very quickly, ie, no running in, heat cycling, or love. They're simply fitted, lightly warmed, pressures corrected, then raped. One, maybe two laps, and they're past their best.

[Boosted Zed]

Check out a video of our fastest lap on youtube, 1:35:23.

[FineLine]

Wow! He uses all the road and then some John. Hot lap

[Boosted Zed]

Yes, fastest to use the whole track and make the track as long as possible, keeps momentum going.

Also about the discussion comparing Superlap car times to V8 Superstars and GT3's, not sure if mentioned on this thread but these cars run on slicks, which are much better, and at least a second faster. Plus if these Jap cars ran on V8 Superstar budget and had top level V8 Supercar driver they would all be faster. Cyber's 1.28.8 is amazing and Eastern Creek tin top record, imagine on slicks and local track knowledge, gun driver?

[Beer Baron]

John your time was awesome mate for an un-tested car. in open you would have got 2nd place which is a pretty good measure of the car! Much respect for having the balls to put the car in Pro class (which is fair since it's a workshop owned car) but we know you don't have the resources or sponsor dollars of some of the pro guys. but the line is pretty blurred between pro and open anyway.

1:35 for the car debut with a completely new set-up is very good going.

[Beer Baron]

yeah I agree. with a V8SC budget we could all go faster but not sure the driver is giving much away. I watched a few of the cyber in-car laps with their data engineer (including the 1:28) and got to say he is not lacking for talent which is amazing considering how few laps he's done at EC. he has a few little tricks in that cyber car that help get it moving fast.

[NickR33]

Check out a video of our fastest lap on youtube, 1:35:23.

great lap so smooth and precise, not an easy task in a heavy, powerful RWD

just watching the Scorch video back to back with this you can see where the time is... the S15 just looks that much lighter, harder and peakier in its setup... almost like a GT1 car... if you could get some more weight out of the 300zx you'd be right up there I reckon

[Russman]

Check out a video of our fastest lap on youtube, 1:35:23.

Great lap.

I'll get my vid up sometime. See how it compares with the lines that John took.

[hrd-hr30]

congrats JP - awesome time from the big slot car! Its great to see things like the Z32 out there that aren't the first or most obvious choice for the basis of a Time Attack car doing so well. Lap looked great too - surprisingly smooth.

And a big congrats to Mark in his R35 too - how good is this???

11 12 Mark Hansen Mercury Motorsport Nissan R35 GTR PRO S2 1:33.5560

12 12 Tarzan Yamada Mercury Motorsport Nissan R35 GTR PRO S1 1:34.3370

Edited August 9, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[Marlin]

Indeed John, superb lap and the car and jb look super smooth.

The car really does look well sorted, a credit to you.

[Marlin]

Mark clarified elsewhere that transponders were fluffed about Harry. Mark did a 36 from memory, still nothing to sneeze at, and I bet he's looking forward to spending more time in it and getting his head around downforce....... not a natural feeling I guess!

[Angus Smart]

because they're not semi slicks.

cool vid from the Scorch Racing S15. Note the G meter... seems better in right handers - not ideal for an anti clockwise track. Also did its fast time on the second flying lap.

Notice his boost reading is blurred out too..