Kando Dynamics Turbo

[Dajae]

In all honesty man, while i don't claim to be the worlds foremost expert on RB25's, i have driven and seen plenty modified. I think you are asking a lot

for a 2.5l motor really, They can only swallow so much air before you have to make them a "pig" with to big of a turbo to be any real fun.

My advice is stick to 300-350rwkw E85 depending..or build a 3.0 bottom end....

cheers

darren

Appreciate the input

However, as I stated a little earlier in the thread, E85 is basically a no-go here in Sydney. I havent actually heard of *any* servo's which have it. So that puts that out of the question. 3L bottom .. Thats an option, but its not an option I'm wanting to take anytime soon. Unfortunately my funds dont allow for such

I dont think I'm asking too much; I've also seen many RB25's that punch out similar numbers to what I'm after, and the response which they have is fairly acceptable for me. Somewhere between 330rwkw - 375rwkw, IMO, isnt all that much. Sure I might not start hitting the boost sweet spot until 4000rpm, but thats what I'm willing to accept.

Dont mean any disrespect, but I think for what I'm after, and what I'm willing to "put up with", its not too much to ask of Suzie

[jet_r31]

Your problem is not boost threshold or being able to make that power as far as i can see....it's getting the fuel octane to do it....330-375rwkw on PUMP 98 for a 2.5L motor

is a f**king lot!, and a lot of cylinder pressure.

that or somehow increasing the VE of the motor..I am not sure you are seeing that by your posts????,

.You could use water injection, thats the only real option i see in front of you without risking blowing a motor on a bad batch of petrol from your expected power, or

spiking your pump fuel with methanol..

cheers

darren

[GTScotT]

Appreciate the input

However, as I stated a little earlier in the thread, E85 is basically a no-go here in Sydney. I havent actually heard of *any* servo's which have it. So that puts that out of the question. 3L bottom .. Thats an option, but its not an option I'm wanting to take anytime soon. Unfortunately my funds dont allow for such

I dont think I'm asking too much; I've also seen many RB25's that punch out similar numbers to what I'm after, and the response which they have is fairly acceptable for me. Somewhere between 330rwkw - 375rwkw, IMO, isnt all that much. Sure I might not start hitting the boost sweet spot until 4000rpm, but thats what I'm willing to accept.

Dont mean any disrespect, but I think for what I'm after, and what I'm willing to "put up with", its not too much to ask of Suzie

No disrespect to you, but an overview of your posts shows some lack of understanding to a few key areas..

For starters, you can only run a twin scroll manifold with a twin scroll turbo. You could not run it on the T67. Next in line the T67 is pushing results that exceeds the average 35R's results. The average 35R is a mid 300kw mark and users have struggled to safely make 400kw out of them on built 3L motors with E85. One user went through 4 before he gave up. The T67 is definitely a BIG contender for the 35Rs place in the game. Simon's results exceed the average 35R of similar spec on this website and new results filtering through seem to be of the same thoroughbred nature. The winning combo seems to be the Freddy and 6boob + tial MVR w/T67. On 98 ron expect sub 350 and response closer to a 30R rather than a 35R (remember sub 350 is very much average 35R territory). I just hope you are not reading US forums with people making 700whp from 35Rs, that is just nonsense.

As for your ask, you are really talking about a bigger turbo. You want a 400kw pump fuel capable turbo, and should look for something bigger than what you have. You are also wanting this from a motor that will not reliably hold together at that level. When your ordinary motor pops, you will be faced with the reality of a wasted big time setup, or an expensive build.

I also want to note that 375rwkw is also the limit of an affordable quality intercooler and your 3.5" exhaust. Think 4" GTR sized cooler (also think $2k new) and think 4" exhaust, if you want to make the job easier. E85 changes the game, but even I know the only places in Sydney are a United in Mascot and a caltex Flex job in Moorebank.

I long accepted that reality was sub 350, with a quality fuel pump and quality off the shelf AFFORDABLE parts. I long forgot the dream of 400kws of fuel pump, intercoolers, built motors, exhausts etc. Simon should be seen as the staple limit of acceptable before things get well and truly out of hand, and no offence to Simon intended, but he is really pushing the boundaries of the motors safety.

If you want that sort of power, you are in the wrong thread. Look at the GTX + EFR threads and Fineline's build thread (failed 400kw 35R build turned 3788 success). You really want something T04Z (now showing obsolete to 3788), GTX35 or EFR 7670.

GL dude.

P.S. to all Kando subscribed. Ordered my TD06SL2 20g on Friday arvo, found the EMS delivery slip at home today! Talk about SERVICE! Also have confirmed the said 20g item uses the TRUST 3" compressor cover, WOOT.

[Roy]

I think Simons results are a little freakish! I disagree that a T67 will generally out grunt an GT35R. Throw a T67 and a GT35R on the same car, same tuner and run 19-21psi and my bet is the 35R will make more power every time.

On pump fuel there are 35Rs making 350-370rwkws. I dont know of any T67 that has ever made that power on 98.

The T67 is a good thing, but I have seen TD06SH-25Gs make 15-25rwkws more then the T67-25G so if you want a little nit more then the T67 then go the TD06SH

Currently I have sitting around:

TD06L2-20G 8cm

T67-25G 10cm

and an TD06SH-25G 10cm

I have currently running on my car a TD06-20G 8cm and can tell you there is no difference in performance between the TD06-20G and the TD06L2-20G. There is no magic in the L2 turbine (IMO)

And if you want something that will make more power then the T67-25G then you really need the TD06SH-25G...have a look at the following pics to get an idea of the difference in exhaust wheel . The TD06SH turbine flows more then the TD06L2 turbine and whilst they have the same compressor, the SH wheel poses a lot less restriction.

As you can see, the SH turbine is a fair whack bigger then the L2 wheel. The following is not 100% accurate as their are variables but you could expect similar results from:

TD06-20G and HKS 2835

T67-25G and HKS 3037

TD06SH-25G and HKS 3040....

So that leaves the 35R a tad smaller then the T78, but is the next frame up on the T67

[ARTZ]

why do you have so many turbos Roy

[Roy]

Well I grabbed the L2 because everyone says they are more responsive and make more power or words to that effect... Then my tuner installed a few on other RB20s and mine was generally more responsive and made the same power so differences are in the exhaust and intercooler/filter and engine....not much in the turbo...so have not bothered to fit it. There is a place in Sydney that puts ball bearing centres in the TD ranges of turbos so thought about doing that to my L2 but honestly can think of better ways to spend my money at moment then experiment with something that I suspect will make FA difference to spool and response.

Then i have the TD06SH-25G and the T67-25G because I have all the parts for a forged RB24. Its just that the lil RB20 in my car at the moment wont die

LOL if anyone wants a used greddy manifold, gate and dump for a Kando I have that as well

[battery]

why do you have so many turbos Roy

Starting a museum with his ancient rb20 as the center piece

[ARTZ]

Well I grabbed the L2 because everyone says they are more responsive and make more power or words to that effect... Then my tuner installed a few on other RB20s and mine was generally more responsive and made the same power so differences are in the exhaust and intercooler/filter and engine....not much in the turbo...so have not bothered to fit it. There is a place in Sydney that puts ball bearing centres in the TD ranges of turbos so thought about doing that to my L2 but honestly can think of better ways to spend my money at moment then experiment with something that I suspect will make FA difference to spool and response.

Then i have the TD06SH-25G and the T67-25G because I have all the parts for a forged RB24. Its just that the lil RB20 in my car at the moment wont die

LOL if anyone wants a used greddy manifold, gate and dump for a Kando I have that as well

ok..Whats the dump u have

I actually ended up with Russmans HKS gate and front pipe, I hope should do the trick was just gunna fab a dump.

[SimonR32]

I think Simons results are a little freakish! I disagree that a T67 will generally out grunt an GT35R. Throw a T67 and a GT35R on the same car, same tuner and run 19-21psi and my bet is the 35R will make more power every time.

On pump fuel there are 35Rs making 350-370rwkws. I dont know of any T67 that has ever made that power on 98.

The T67 is a good thing, but I have seen TD06SH-25Gs make 15-25rwkws more then the T67-25G so if you want a little nit more then the T67 then go the TD06SH

Not really that freaky, battery was 40rwkw down on mine but with a fair wack less boost and valve spring issues.

But I do see where you are coming from mine is making very decent power and I wouldn't expect many to be able to replicate my results. Down at the drags suggest that the dyno isn't lying as it is spot on for the power/weight/mph

Saying it will make more power than a 35R is probably drawing a long bow, the 35R is laggier for sure but I imagine if I put one on my set up I would gain a hand full of ponies up top... Not that a 35R will ever make it onto my car haha

Roy is also correct, T67 is great but if it's not going to make the power you're after on the fuel you want to use the TD06SH-25G might be the way to go

Edited July 5, 2011 by SimonR32

[GTScotT]

I think Simons results are a little freakish! I disagree that a T67 will generally out grunt an GT35R. Throw a T67 and a GT35R on the same car, same tuner and run 19-21psi and my bet is the 35R will make more power every time.

On pump fuel there are 35Rs making 350-370rwkws. I dont know of any T67 that has ever made that power on 98.

The T67 is a good thing, but I have seen TD06SH-25Gs make 15-25rwkws more then the T67-25G so if you want a little nit more then the T67 then go the TD06SH

I disagree that a 35R is a 350-370kw item. Thats talking a built motor and setup designed to stretch the absolute limits of the thing.

Look here:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1

I did not doctor the results, its the forum itself. Lots of simple setups and lots of ordinary results.

Then there is this:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1

Considering the effort Noel (Fineline) put in and the story behind his E85 powered 400kw, I would not think the 35R the staple item for that sort of power.

T67 seems to exceed the 300kw marker quite easily, and Simon is only using a 50/50 mix for his E85, so I would say it is certainly a contender for the 30 AND 35Rs place in the 'simpler' side of the market.

Yet again I hate myself. Another twist in the road means my newly arrived 20g has an uncertain future! Sorry if I am letting any readers down looking forward to my results.. I'll see what changes for me in the near future.

[t_revz]

lol and your reason for wanting the low mount?

If you want the T67 power, then get the T67 power lol.

Here is the packaging constraint version:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-TD06S-25G-T3-V-Band-/290581425241?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a800ac59

Buy it now?

whats the thoughts on this one? they rate it as a higher hp than Simon`s. all specs seem the same apart from compressor housing and being water cooled. same same?

anyone?

[Roy]

GTScotT ... Your links dont work so?!?!?! Cant comment

I am with Simon re his comments above so agree to disagree And not doubting Simons results for a minute. The thing performs, but I suspect its just one of those engine/turbo and tune combos that wont be easily replicated. I think 330rwkws with about 19psi is about the norm +/- 10rwkws

[t_revz]

works ok for me Roy. its a 3" Anti-Surge TD06S-25G T3 V-Band.

[Roy]

anyone?

???Who knows??? Its basically a T67 it appears, albeit with a slightly different exhaust wheel. I have a photo of the TD06S wheel next to an L2 wheel somewhere, if you search around SAU from around 2004 when I first put my turbo on you may find it But may be best to stick with known qty and get exactly what SimonR32 purchased

[t_revz]

its rated 50hp more than Simons. im leaning towards same as Simon or a size down. but cant make up my mind

[Roy]

Reading it again its a bit misleading and says its different things in different places. Title states TD06S ...and then in the body TD06SL2 so???? If it was TD06SH then it is rated higher then Simons...oh gawd I dont know. But Trust, at least that way you know or get a clarification and make sure its the same as something other people have gotten good results with

My advice, if you cant make up your mind on size you are after always better to go down a size. Will generally be a safer bet and not need as many revs so looks after the engine a little more

[GTScotT]

anyone?

The spec sheet inside states it is the TD06SL2, so its the same spec CHRA is Simon's T67.

The difference is its compressor housing. It uses the Trust 3" .60ar housing made for the 20g range turbos which has been modified to fit including the surge slot.

I would say it will possibly spool a fraction sooner BUT need a PSI or two more to make the same numbers. I would not have any confidence issues in buying it considering it is a trust spec housing on the thing. HOWEVER, you should also note that the original turbo sold by trust used the 4" .70ar housing like whats on Simon's car.

At the end of the day, if its a bag of shit Kando sells the bloody correct housing for about $100, how can you go wrong?

[GTScotT]

GTScotT ... Your links dont work so?!?!?! Cant comment

I am with Simon re his comments above so agree to disagree And not doubting Simons results for a minute. The thing performs, but I suspect its just one of those engine/turbo and tune combos that wont be easily replicated. I think 330rwkws with about 19psi is about the norm +/- 10rwkws

What I posted were search results for the RB25 dyno thread. I searched for all the common handles for a 35R and gave you every result. Only one met/exceeded your faith.

I am not sure if I have misconstrued my opinion of the 35R vs T67.. I will clarify, I do know and believe the 35R is a bigger turbo which will make bigger numbers, yet also believe the current proofings for the T67 show it to be a very good budget oriented replacement. The difference in price near pays for the 6 boost alone, leaving you a 'handful' of ponies short with better spool IMHO.

[Rolls]

My advice, if you cant make up your mind on size you are after always better to go down a size. Will generally be a safer bet and not need as many revs so looks after the engine a little more

Needs more boost and will have higher temps due to using the upper right hand side of the compressor map though (assuming you are aiming for similar power levels), I'd argue high temps are worse than revs. Revs you can limit, temps you can quite easily exceed and start detonating.

That said I would still go the smaller turbo for response reasons though.

[OMY31T]

yay, finally got my pipework fixed. lol.

my carbon fibre bonnet fits again now.

just need to sort out moving the AFM, 4" inlet, and a 3600 stally for it now and hopefully i can get some better numbers with more boost.

Edited July 6, 2011 by OMY31T