Kando Dynamics Turbo

[jet_r31]

Point is it is a downgrade from the stock ecu and there is no good reason to buy or use one.

you can get them to work fine with air-con, i had one on my WRX in 1999 with a Gt30 etc , before they did flash tunes, I had one on my r31 with air-con, both drove like stock actually

a good tuner can get a decent result from them

cheers

darren

[luvpsi]

you can get them to work fine with air-con, i had one on my WRX in 1999 with a Gt30 etc , before they did flash tunes, I had one on my r31 with air-con, both drove like stock actually

a good tuner can get a decent result from them

cheers

darren

exactly mine is fine cold starts sits at 1200rpm warms up and drops down to 880rpm everytime no problem. drives like normal starts fine works fine with my VCT and i dont have to worry about upgrading afm as it does not use one. do you really think all the vl guys and a hell of alot of drag cars use them because they are no good. yes they may not be as good as a PFC and has no where near the amount of features the PFC has but im happy it does the job fine and i got it pretty cheap off a mate who took it off his VLT before he sold it and bought a skyline. maybe one day ill remove it and get something better but until then im happy with it and lets drop the hatred towards the microtechs.

[GTScotT]

Ah well... To be honest I think most microtech users would be like us. Happy with what the machine does as the end user can hardly tell the difference.

Sort of like a 80 year old that gets an iphone on their grand childs recommendation... The chances the 80 year old will do much beyond answering it when it rings and try to make a call on the odd occasion will be slim. No offence but this would fit the bill for over 80 percent of users on this forum when put into context, it fits my bill and I dont even consider myself an entry level user.

Moving on, this is the Kando thread not the Microtech thread. Back to Kando!

[dori34]

LOL @ microleb!!!!!!!!!

i said it a few pages back but here it is again,

ideal setup for a RB25 would be TD06SL2-20g (10cm) with stock manifold (either weld 40 or 44mm ext gate to manifold or onto rear housing)and it will be kept low mount and sorta stock-ish looking, no need to fork out $1000+ for a top mount manifold.

can either run screamer to atmo or plumb back to the dump/front pipe.

this setup would be the most cost effective and stock-ish looking for at least 280rwkw+

i will be changing to this setup next year at tax time. hopefully my twin turbos will last until then but at the rate its going, i think the turbo seals are going again (only replaced the turbos with 2nd hand units 2 months ago as well unless i find decently priced HKS GT-SS or -7/-9s for under $1600 but at this stage, the kando setup is looking very favourable).

[luvpsi]

This is real confusing I'm looking at the td06l2-20g for my rb25 however stao has been trying to sell me one of his turbos I think by saying that the td06l2 is not a big power maker and nit very responsive I know if your looking for a straight turbo swap for streeter HG is the way to go. Do you think this is true or is stao just trying to sell me one of his units

[Harey]

Well for a kando turbo you need to customise some piping for an external wastegate. Whereas the Hypergear turbo will bolt straight in as its internally gated.

Then you just need to compare the turbo results, this will vary on which turbo of each variety you choose. I have not seen many td06l2-20g results on rb25s so that might be hard. Whereas there are tonnes of Hypergear results to look at.

Obviously Tao is trying to sell you a turbo hes not a charity but I think for sub 300rwkw with the standard manifold, bang for buck is pretty bloody hard to beat.

[luvpsi]

I understand that some say they have cracked 300kw with the tdo6l2 and others say they won't make anywhere near it

[GTScotT]

This is real confusing I'm looking at the td06l2-20g for my rb25 however stao has been trying to sell me one of his turbos I think by saying that the td06l2 is not a big power maker and nit very responsive I know if your looking for a straight turbo swap for streeter HG is the way to go. Do you think this is true or is stao just trying to sell me one of his units

Let me set something straight...... As much as I respect Stao and his products, saying the TD06SL2 is not a good power maker is total GARBAGE.

For the 11ty billionth time THE T67 AND TD06SL2 ARE THE SAME TURBINE WHEEL....... Meaning Simons 10cm T67 turbine and housing is the exact same turbine and housing you will get on a TD06SL2 10cm.

The difference between the T67 and TD06SL2 is the shaft diameter. The T67 is a TD07 and the TD06SL2 is a.......... TD06! Dont be confused, TRUST used the TD07 shaft with the 'TD06SL2' wheel so they could mate it to a 25G compressor, because the 25G is a TD07 sized compressor.

As for response, a little SR20 will get an SL2 20g on full song before 4000rpm and top out around 300kw. Trent (STATUS) has even shown an SR spooling a 10cm TD06SL2 20g as good as a GT2871R (HKS GTRS).

Ive said it before and I will say it again, if Simon can make something close to the 400kw zone out of the SL2 turbine and 10cm housing, I highly doubt the little 20g compressor will have any heat or restriction problems pumping through the same turbine and housing. The Hypergear stuff is good, but it gets hot. For my daily driver and occasional drag machine I would definitely get a HG. For my weekend warrior and track weapon (I mean part time track) I would get the Kando every time.

Just match it to the Tial 44mm gate and your laughing.

[luvpsi]

Thanks for your help

[ARTZ]

stop confusing people with your knowledge Scott

For the 11ty billionth time THE T67 AND TD06SL2 ARE THE SAME TURBINE WHEEL....... Meaning Simons 10cm T67 turbine and housing is the exact same turbine and housing you will get on a TD06SL2 10cm.

this..

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SL2 has a smaller compressor making it a better fit when low mounting..in theory it should also make it more responsive...

Is all you really to know

[dori34]

theres a few youtube videos of a ceffie in thailand or singapore or something with a RB25 running a TD06 20G i believe.

seems to go pretty good and very responsive but no dyno sheets.

obviously in japan there will be more results but not much in the case of dyno sheets etc.

I've asked Trent on numerous occasions to post up some results of the TD06 on a RB25 but looks like he may of missed those posts in this thread.

didn't Dr-Drift run a TD06-20G on his R32 RB25 and it made over 300rwkw or so.

Perhaps there is a sheet of it floating around somewhere on the net.

[dori34]

found it;

TD06-20GL2 Chinese Copy (modified exhaust housing with T3 Flange)

XSPower High Mount T3 Ext Gate S/S Manifold

50mm Chinese External Gate

50mm S/S Screamer Pipe

4" Intake with 4" Pod Filter

Bosch/Nissan Z32 Air Flow Meter

Ok, so took the taxi out to calder for the drags... car has been retune to the tune of 305 rwkw!

Best ET was 12.0 @ 122 mph with a 2.6 60' and sever lack of traction!

flyby video;

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WpLIZwDGY4I

turbo;

dyno;

261rwkw @ 16psi & 305rwkw @ 20psi charts;

[GTScotT]

I wouldnt go off those results, they dont seem to be doing their thing...

Roy has proved the 20g to be the goods too. It gets up and boogies the way we would like it to and all on a little RB20.

FYI there are more abundant 1JZ 20g results.

LOL Shutup Dave, hurry up and get your 20g on, dont make me come down there and repair mustang sally with a sledge hammer and some beer. Do as I say. DO AS I SSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ARTZ]

odd that it had such big boost drop though.. Gate too big maybe?

Or just too chinese...

eD..mustang sally is up and running man, just needs a new windscreen..

Im waiting on scott to weld the housing and hes waiting on me to buy a gate..

[dori34]

Scott, can you put up some dyno results with the 20g on a 1jz

[luvpsi]

Yeah that c33 on YouTube pulls 444ps which is just over 300kw

[GTScotT]

odd that it had such big boost drop though.. Gate too big maybe?

Or just too chinese...

eD..mustang sally is up and running man, just needs a new windscreen..

Im waiting on scott to weld the housing and hes waiting on me to buy a gate..

Nah it doesnt seem too bad, but gate selection could probably compensate for it as you said.

The problem is more likely to be its running an 8cm housing, the 10cm housing was some sort of mythical creature before Kando came along and I highly doubt his copy was a 10cm job. I rekon theres a chance the 8cm might bring the 20g on so early it climaxes before the motor comes into its natural powerband that it just hinders the whole final output like that.

Scott, can you put up some dyno results with the 20g on a 1jz

Just youtube 1JZ 20G mate, there are a lot out of japland. As you know Japan doesnt have the forum base we do for tuning.

[luvpsi]

Yeah I think I agree with you there Gtscott the 8cm must come on too early

[Rolls]

Even if it is too small you surely should be able to get it to hold flat boost with an appropriate boost controller setup if using an external gate?

Edited September 28, 2011 by Rolls

[Roy]

found it;

TD06-20GL2 Chinese Copy (modified exhaust housing with T3 Flange)

XSPower High Mount T3 Ext Gate S/S Manifold

50mm Chinese External Gate

50mm S/S Screamer Pipe

4" Intake with 4" Pod Filter

Bosch/Nissan Z32 Air Flow Meter

turbo;

dyno;

261rwkw @ 16psi & 305rwkw @ 20psi charts;

Isnt that graph in hp?

Based on my experience of my car on his dyno makes a lot more sense then the claim of 305rwkws.

The below is my car on an old 235rwkws Racepace tune that equaled about 244rwkws on his dyno. Not long after this I went back to Racepace and we leaned on the tune a little more with 100ron and made a comfortable 260rwkws (track tune) So Based on finding 25rwkws on the Racepace dyno lets call it 245+25rwkws on Dr Drifts dyno....so about 270rwkws