Kando Dynamics Turbo

[Johnny_B]

so instead of the td06sl2-20g on standard manifold on my rb25 i am now considering going to a bigger item

my supporting mods are/will be sard 550cc injectors, with bosch 044 surge tank etc, z32 afm, powerfc, stainless steampipe manifold, tial 44mm wastegate and straight through 3" exhaust

im chasing something that will comfortabley crack 300kw/400hp im not scared to lean on the turbo hardish (1.3bar +) to make the power but it needs to be able to do it

im just not sure that a the -20g on 98octane will make the power easily enough

also if im going to the trouble/expense of a new manifold i may aswell go with a turbo that may have head room for more power down the track

what do people think?

i see my options as:

• the 3" anti surge inlet td06sl2-25g (water cooled)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-TD06SL2-TD06SL2-25G-T3-V-Band-10cm-/280780588883?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item415fd3c753

• the 4" inlet td06sl2-25g (water cooled)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-4-TD06SL2-25G-T3-V-Band-450P-/280775108722?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item415f802872

• the 4" inlet td06h-25g (water cooled)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-4-Inlet-TD06H-25G-T3-V-Band-10cm-AR73-500P-/280790575216?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41606c2870

• the 4" inlet t67-25g (oil cooled)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Turbocharger-Mitsubishi-Kinugawa-T67-25G-T3-10-cm-/280775109686?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item415f802c36

and then i also saw this ? TD07-25g

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-3-TD07-Anti-Surge-TD06SL2-25G-T3-Flange-10cm-/270874015433?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f115976c9

i guess i should also consider a 3076r but being another $3-400 more expensive turns me off, all to achieve abit of a truck whistle on spool up

[SimonR32]

I have this one... "the 4" inlet t67-25g (oil cooled)" and I have had no issues at all.

The "4" inlet td06sl2-25g (water cooled)" is the same turbo with a different CHRA for water cooling.

The "TD07-25g" and "3" anti surge inlet td06sl2-25g (water cooled)" are the same turbo as above but with different compressor covers.

The "4" inlet td06h-25g (water cooled)" has a bigger rear wheel which people have said makes it laggier with not that much more top end, Roy has had good results on his RB20 with this type of rear wheel.

My suggestion would be go the same turbo as mine, you can't go wrong!

The 3076R will be more like $1000+ to get running (including extra cost and custom oil/water lines) and in my opinion is not worth it

Edited December 15, 2011 by SimonR32

[Roy]

I have only seen a back to back of a Trust TD06SH-25G vs HKS 3040 on RB25s, both with std bottom ends, Greddy inlets, baby 256 cams and Pfc. Very similar setup. The 25G was more responsive and made more power on the same dyno,

Would be very curious to see the results of a good T67-25G vs HKS 3037/3076 comparison. I am not sure the 3076 would be a clear winner for out right performance

[Lithium]

There seem to be interesting views on that, I was actually reading an article on someone who was previously running a Trust T67-25G kit and swapped to a "GT3037" type setup and got better overall performance - there might have been a slight power reduction possibly, but it seemed the spool and response was in that case considered to more than make up for it. Doesn't surprise me at all that the GT3040 got all around beat.

The T67s deliver really good performance for the price though, results wise it seems like its a case of "what do you want more" which is good when one is cheaper.

I'd love to see a T67-25G vs a FP HTA GT3076R, which is currently my choice of the moment for an RB25DET

[GTScotT]

Lith I really think you should go the T67. Cheap, simple, effective.

And I want to see your opinion once you own one

[Johnny_B]

the thing im most concered about is id like it to be making power till redline which will be relatively low compared to your car simon, ill only go to around 7-7500rpm

roy you dont happen to have a copy of those dyno sheets do you? or how much power were they making? and how was it made? (linear or really aggressive)

i have no concerns running an oil cooled only turbo, but out of interest how did you block/replace your water lines simon?

[Lithium]

I'd be very interested in playing with one. I've tried to convince a guy I have been doing tuning for to buy one as he's a bit tight for cash but has accumulated all the supporting mods necessary but after going in my car he isn't interested in anything but what I had on mine and would rather save a little longer and get it.

Again, thats with me trying to sell the Kando - but given I am fussy and destined to buy the best I think I can get to suit my purpose, I can't see a Kando ever fitting into that for any future endevours. If someone gave me one, I'm sure I'd find a way of getting it something to do though lol

[battery]

but out of interest how did you block/replace your water lines simon?

I used the tight ass method, cut the water line above the banjo fitting then braze over the hole with an oxy and bolt back on!

[luvpsi]

What size injectors should I run I'm going to run a td06sl2 on rb25 at 20+psi

[GTScotT]

550 minimum.

740s so you can switch to eflex later.

[Hanaldo]

What size injectors should I run I'm going to run a td06sl2 on rb25 at 20+psi

Rough rule of thumb is 1cc = 1hp at the engine.

As Scott said though, leave room for when you change your mind in the future. I wish I had gone with 850's instead of the 650's now.

[luvpsi]

Yeah that was what I was thinking but I'm in WA so I'll be waiting a long time for eflex haha

[luvpsi]

I'm thinking deatchwerks 740cc how for extra 50 buck they now do 1000cc injectors

[Hanaldo]

Yeah that was what I was thinking but I'm in WA so I'll be waiting a long time for eflex haha

Perhaps not at the pump, but I'm toying with the idea of getting a separate tune for ethanol to use on track days.

I'm thinking deatchwerks 740cc how for extra 50 buck they now do 1000cc injectors

I've received mixed opinions on running large injectors in a street car. Some people say they just won't idle nicely or deliver good fuel economy, others say that is all in the tune. From personal experience, my car doesn't idle the best and I have some issues on start up, but I get pretty good fuel economy. Those issues could be injector related or they could be something else, so it's hard to say.

I'd speak to your tuner about it.

[Harey]

I have the destchwerks 740cc injectors and they have done the job well. Although lots of people talk about the ID1000 injectors as being a lot better. Just depends on how much extra they are and if they drop straight in.

[Hanaldo]

I have the destchwerks 740cc injectors and they have done the job well. Although lots of people talk about the ID1000 injectors as being a lot better. Just depends on how much extra they are and if they drop straight in.

Injector Dynamics don't make a drop in injector for RB25's do they? All the ones I've seen are top feed/high impedance, so need a fuel rail and other bits and pieces.

[GTScotT]

I'm thinking deatchwerks 740cc how for extra 50 buck they now do 1000cc injectors

For the money I would rather get genuine nismo 740s. The Nismo 740s are meant to be very good to tune with, as good as stock and better than the Nismo 555s.

Do it once, do it right.

[luvpsi]

Nismo injectors are over 1k tho

[dori34]

so i spoke to Yavuz @ Unigroup engineering about his experience with tuning a TD06SL2-20G on a 25

some of his comments were:

- a very good turbo even tho it is old technology, its still on par with current range garretts etc

- tuned a few on rb25s and all pulled anywhere from 250-310rwkw (deciding factors were because of intercooler or hi-flow cat choices which caused restrictions etc)

- need at least 18psi to see real results and when they perform best

heres a dyno chart i found on of r33 rb25 with a td06-20g that pulled 300rwkw @ 17.5psi - so looking very promising if you have a decent pacakge that works well, you can net at least 280rwkw minimum.

[R33 Eddy]

Nismo injectors are over 1k tho

1K

these are under 1K http://www.nengun.com/nismo/high-performance-injectors