Kando Dynamics Turbo

[battery]

What are you implying?

What your saying makes no sense...

[Hanaldo]

Don't know how he could be more clear lol.

[chris_82]

whats the difference in the 16G 18G and 20G with these kando's. would a 16G spool faster than a 20

Edited December 28, 2011 by chris_82

[rondofj]

I think those numbers are the wheel sizes, hence the smaller numbers will spool faster

[Super Drager]

whats the difference in the 16G 18G and 20G with these kando's. would a 16G spool faster than a 20

Rear housing sizes, will spool up quicker but run out of puff up top.

[Roy]

Rear housing sizes, will spool up quicker but run out of puff up top.

Not having a shot. But if you dont KNOW for certain then please phrase a post so its a question.

16G, 18G, 20G are NOT rear housing sizes. They are the compressor the turbo runs. The rear housing sizes are designated in Mistu talk at 6cm, 8cm , 10cm, 12cm 16cm etc etc.

The take away is that the smaller the compressor wheel the less inertia so you are a good chance that it will spin quicker given the two turbos have the same turbine and housings. But then there is the weight, number of blades that all play a part.

Now I THINK ( ) the 16G would be noticable to an 18G and 20G in spool. People seem to refer to a 16G and a BIG 16G, with the Big 16G being what Trust call the 18G. (? if someone can confirm this great ) There is not a lot of dimensional differences between the 18G and 20G and are basically just a different trim.

I think the fact that the 18G is normally teamed with the smaller TD05H turbine and 8cm housing is the reason why it would generally be seen as the faster spooling turbo, albeit making less power as the compromise.

Wheel Sizes (Inducer/Exducer)

16G - 46.5mm / 57mm

18G - 50.5mm / 68mm

20G - 52.6mm / 68mm

So in an overly simplistic view the 16G would physically be a lot smaller and spin easier. The 18G and 20G are basically just a trim difference

16G

[jet_r31]

After reading both threads the Kandos SEEM to produce more brutal neck snapping acceleration factor on the street, less issues getting there and seem to love boost and have lot more potential in them, maybe this also has to do with the setups being external gated.. AND theyre half the price of HG turbos (kinda adds up to same with ext gate, custom dump, plumbing etc), but then later down the track u canalways swap a newer better kando turbo cos its cheap!

f**k knows how your comparing them, you must have some skills, theres not even a decent 98 octane dyno sheet in this thread, its all E85 results....

cheers

darren

Edited December 29, 2011 by jet_r31

[Roy]

Really, there is only Simons T67-25G result. Everything else is still a work in progress with either boost control problems, tune problems etc. And then there is the E85 aspect.

[GTScotT]

whats the difference in the 16G 18G and 20G with these kando's. would a 16G spool faster than a 20

Those are the compressor wheel sizes. The 16g is normally also available in a big and small trim too, small trim is uncommon from kando so dont worry about it.

The big 16g shares the same outer diameter as the 18g and the 20g (68mm), you can consider them the same wheel in different trims (although they are not quite..).

The 16g will be the best spooling item and is what is used on evo's 3 - 9 (normally capable of up to 240ish all wheel kw). This is a TD05H 16g6 (big 16g)

The 18g and 20g go up in power capability from there, the truth is being a similar wheel they are probably close to as capable as eachother yet working at different boost levels. The 20g will come on a little later and a little harder but will make the highest power on the least boost.

For a fast spool application the TD05H 18g with a healthy rear housing (10cm) would be good on a 6 cylinder and should make an easy-ish 240kw

There are youtube vids of TD06 18g on 1JZ motors available, do some searching. The results are surprising, rather quick and come on very early and smooth. I would rate this to 260kw.

[GTScotT]

f**k knows how your comparing them, you must have some skills, theres not even a decent 98 octane dyno sheet in this thread, its all E85 results....

cheers

darren

He's a wishful thinker, thats how.

[DVS JEZ]

He's a wishful thinker, thats how.

The world should be rid of 98 soon. E85 ftw

[t_revz]

The world should be rid of 98 except W.A. soon. E85 ftw

fixed

[GTScotT]

The world should be rid of 98 soon. E85 ftw

If you can swap fuel companies to do this sooner rather than later I will jump on that bandwagon all the same.

[Roy]

Edit...

Wheel Sizes (Inducer/Exducer : lb/min)

16G - 46.5mm / 57mm : 34 ~ 340hp (The big 16G off the EVO III is rated as 39lb/min)

18G - 50.5mm / 68mm : 42 ~ 420hp

20G - 52.6mm / 68mm : 44 ~ 440hp

So in an overly simplistic view the 16G would physically be a lot smaller and spin easier. The 18G and 20G are basically just a trim difference

16G

Here is a pic of the following wheels side by side: VF40, EVO 16G (Big 16G), 18G, and then the 20G!

[rondofj]

f**k knows how your comparing them, you must have some skills, theres not even a decent 98 octane dyno sheet in this thread, its all E85 results....

cheers

darren

Ur pretty clever arent you, the dynos the only way to compare them right, smart-ass? If you were just a bit more smart then you would see in my first sentence that i mentioned 'after reading both threads..'- hence how I compared them, whether right or wrong, thats for anyone to decide and debate as thats what forums are about..seeing as dynos dont really define what it FEELS like to drive.

[dori34]

mine will be tuned on 98 octane in Feb if all goes according to plan, so for all your kiddies waiting on some dyno results, not long to go

damn all you E85 guys!

[GTScotT]

wait for ARTZ too, his setup is the benchmark in my eyes and i cant wait to see his results.

stock manifold, gate off the housing, good size gate, stock plenum, basic support package.

[battery]

wait for ARTZ too, his setup is the benchmark in my eyes and i cant wait to see his results.

stock manifold, gate off the housing, good size gate, stock plenum, basic support package.

Hes taking his sweet time isn't he lol...

If someone wants to lend me a Kando td06sl2-20g and will pay for a tune ill be happy to take my T67 off and give it a try in the name of science!

[dori34]

will be good to compare ARTZ results with mine as i'm running a forward facing plenum & no VCT, so will be interesting to see the differences

[SimonR32]

Really, there is only Simons T67-25G result. Everything else is still a work in progress with either boost control problems, tune problems etc. And then there is the E85 aspect.

battery had a decent result as well