Kando Dynamics Turbo

[Kane_R32]

Very nice result, what fuel and other mods?

United 100 (still pump fuel), 550 Nismos, Nistune, Walbro, Cooler, Exhaust...Thats its basically

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Been reading up on these turbos lately and looking at a TD06 20G with the 10cm rear EG for my 33 RB25 with the following mods.

The normal cooler and exhaust etc

Tomei pon cams with gears

550cc injectors

Power fc

Freddy manifold

Lightened flywheel with a 6 puck button clutch that im going to sell and buy a more capable one

Surge tank, oil cooling, bigger radiator etc all done.

But what I really want to know is has anyone low mounted one of these, more so on a GTSR manifold? As I have read that some of the compressor housings are pretty large is this the case with the TD06 item?

What are peoples thoughts on welding the gate on the exhaust housing as I don't want to ruin the manifold?

Also to be annoying the normal question of coming on boost, full boost and rough power out put?

Sorry if it seems like a noobs post but I would like to know before I go out and buy one if its capable with my manifold on 25 in my hr31 coupe?

Thanks

[Lithium]

United 100 (still pump fuel), 550 Nismos, Nistune, Walbro, Cooler, Exhaust...Thats its basically

Wow, stout - got to be happy with that! Nice work, and its nice to know it's capable of that kind of performance

[GTScotT]

Been reading up on these turbos lately and looking at a TD06 20G with the 10cm rear EG for my 33 RB25 with the following mods.

The normal cooler and exhaust etc

Tomei pon cams with gears

550cc injectors

Power fc

Freddy manifold

Lightened flywheel with a 6 puck button clutch that im going to sell and buy a more capable one

Surge tank, oil cooling, bigger radiator etc all done.

But what I really want to know is has anyone low mounted one of these, more so on a GTSR manifold? As I have read that some of the compressor housings are pretty large is this the case with the TD06 item?

What are peoples thoughts on welding the gate on the exhaust housing as I don't want to ruin the manifold?

Also to be annoying the normal question of coming on boost, full boost and rough power out put?

Sorry if it seems like a noobs post but I would like to know before I go out and buy one if its capable with my manifold on 25 in my hr31 coupe?

Thanks

ARTZ lowmounted that turbo on a stock manifold, and one other member also did before having to sell the car (IIRC). Both members results were within reasonable difference. 14-16psi 260rwkw on 98, 300kw on E85, good response all round.

I can understand the thread is 270 pages wrong but this has been talked about so many times....

Furthermore the Hypergear SS2 does not give much away in response and has significantly higher power limits. Please read both threads.

[Lithium]

ARTZ lowmounted that turbo on a stock manifold, and one other member also did before having to sell the car (IIRC). Both members results were within reasonable difference. 14-16psi 260rwkw on 98, 300kw on E85, good response all round.

I can understand the thread is 270 pages wrong but this has been talked about so many times....

Furthermore the Hypergear SS2 does not give much away in response and has significantly higher power limits. Please read both threads.

Is it comparably priced?

[GTScotT]

I believe it to be better value.

A current model SS2 type B with IWG should cost the 1200 mark IIRC.

For most people who already sport a 3" dump that saves them on the cost of an EWG, plumbing it up and fabricating a dump. Say 700 kando, 400 gate, 300 to cast weld gate to manifold, 400 for dump and screamer... I think those prices are conservative and rounded down in most cases.

Not trying to product push, am just a mad stalker of both threads and hold an opinion on the matter.

[Lithium]

Why does it need to be an external gate one? To me this seems like something which could be a bit of fun...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Upgrade-Turbocharger-RB20DET-RB25DET-w-Stage-3-Turbine-68mm-Comp-450BHP-/281117739250?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4173ec48f2

Or even this if there is any doubts about the stock compressor housing flow:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-RB20DET-RB25DET-TD06-20G-T3-8cm-V-Band-/271219785633?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f25f57fa1

From our testing so far, the Kando anti-surge/lag thing is bollux - we are very impressed with the internally gated bolt on anti-surge Kando so far. Boost holds 19psi perfect with electronic boost control, or 10psi without creep on wastegate boost which leaves heaps of room for us to sort out boost-per gear with a wide range. Very much looking forward to seeing how it behaves on the dyno.

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8cm rear is too small for my liking. I have read that all the kando internal gate ones aren't very good with boost control. I haven't seen any decent results with the internal ones.

[Lithium]

I have read that all the kando internal gate ones aren't very good with boost control. I haven't seen any decent results with the internal ones.

Clearly I was lying then, I'll stop feeding this thread with BS and leave you guys to turn it into a Hypergear thread, as well as the FP thread, and I think the Precision thread is also lacking in Hypergear propaganda too

[GTScotT]

Why does it need to be an external gate one? To me this seems like something which could be a bit of fun...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Upgrade-Turbocharger-RB20DET-RB25DET-w-Stage-3-Turbine-68mm-Comp-450BHP-/281117739250?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4173ec48f2

Or even this if there is any doubts about the stock compressor housing flow:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-RB20DET-RB25DET-TD06-20G-T3-8cm-V-Band-/271219785633?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f25f57fa1

From our testing so far, the Kando anti-surge/lag thing is bollux - we are very impressed with the internally gated bolt on anti-surge Kando so far. Boost holds 19psi perfect with electronic boost control, or 10psi without creep on wastegate boost which leaves heaps of room for us to sort out boost-per gear with a wide range. Very much looking forward to seeing how it behaves on the dyno.

OH YEAH! I forgot about the re-production 2iu housings.. I hadn't eve thought to look for that on eBay.

I may speak to a friend about trying one of these, though I would prefer an L2 18G in the stock housings. Roy has explored the 20G 8cm realms but I am not confident its everyones cup of tea (on an RB25).

I'm keen to see your anti-surge final results dude, am always happy to take on new data and concepts. At the moment the general consensus was that it was laggier, but that could be a different story on the smaller compressor housings or wheels (remembering yours is the 3" .60 housing with a 20G wheel and most feedback was based on the 4" .70 with 25G wheel).

The one dude who did 'back to back' a 20G 3" anti-surge was not convinced the non surge cover was actually the fix. Hopefully your friends one can at least settle the debate on the 3" cover.

[GTScotT]

8cm rear is too small for my liking. I have read that all the kando internal gate ones aren't very good with boost control. I haven't seen any decent results with the internal ones.

The MHI style housings are total dogs balls, but those 2iu style ones are probably fine. Hypergear is importing a similar housing which I'm sure comes from the same foundry.

So it should work fine, depending on what size flapper Kando are installing and the balance of flow from the wheels. If you have a read of the Hypergear threads (will take you a year) it took him a while to get the balance of wheels and WG flapper right. The current standard highflow is a good thing.

[funki_munki]

Dont have a dyno sheet on me atm as im away at work, but will upload when i can.

R34 GT-T 4 Door

Internally stock Neo motor

Splitfire coil packs

HDi cooler w/custom piping

3" exhaust w/100cell metal cat

Tomei type A poncams

MSLR head gasket

Arp head studs

PnT Performance intake manifold w/r33 s2 throttle body

650cc Siemens Deka Injectors

Aeroflow high flow fuel rail

Turbosmart FPR800

Walbro 255lph fuel pump

Hybrid Performance top mount exhaust manifold (hopefully upgrade to a 6boost when funds allow)

Turbosmart Compgate 40

Kando TD06H 60-1 w/anti surge front housing and 10cm rear

Gizzmo IBC

Nistune

Car made 310rwkw's and 620nm of torque @ 18psi on BP98, full boost hits at 4000rpm. Since it was finished its been back on the dyno and its still pulling consistent numbers, last 3 runs if i remember correctly were 309,311 and 313 and i still get over 450kms to a tank of juice

[GTScotT]

^ would love to see that sheet. Sounds good

How readily does it get up and boogy? I mean not just when is full boost achieved but whats it like before its on full boost?

[Lithium]

OH YEAH! I forgot about the re-production 2iu housings.. I hadn't eve thought to look for that on eBay.

I may speak to a friend about trying one of these, though I would prefer an L2 18G in the stock housings. Roy has explored the 20G 8cm realms but I am not confident its everyones cup of tea (on an RB25).

I'm keen to see your anti-surge final results dude, am always happy to take on new data and concepts. At the moment the general consensus was that it was laggier, but that could be a different story on the smaller compressor housings or wheels (remembering yours is the 3" .60 housing with a 20G wheel and most feedback was based on the 4" .70 with 25G wheel).

The one dude who did 'back to back' a 20G 3" anti-surge was not convinced the non surge cover was actually the fix. Hopefully your friends one can at least settle the debate on the 3" cover.

One way or another I am sure you will hear how it turns out, I may not share it here given I am getting sick of making an effort sharing ACTUAL information on here to help folks out to be told that those results won't happen because this guy at the dairy's mates Auntie's boyfriend's penpal said that they don't perform.

I am definitely open minded to the fact that other housing/wheel combinations may have issues (this is actually an EVO3-16G, not a 20G) but I was told as a blanket rule by yourself and others that the anti-surge was a lemon, so far it seems not the case - will see how the final flow is but spool is already looking good. I don't know how the internal gates will perform on RB25s with bigger turbos, but as I clearly fabricated earlier... we have no spike, no drop in boost, no creep and so far tested from 10-19psi and are actually well impressed with the internal gate TD05 so far.

[GTScotT]

The IWG housing on your friends turbo is fine, thats fact. I have done one of those T25 based housings myself and confirm its the shiznit. Works a dream.

Its this T3 housing thats a bag of shite:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-TD06H-25G-w-T3-8cm-V-Band-Internal-gate-/281118875035?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4173fd9d9b&_uhb=1

That housing is intended for some kind of US based car which doesnt have stellar performance from stock (so it probably works fine at low power/boost). Thats the only Kando IWG that has an issue, just to clarify. One guy even lopped the rear of it off to DIY a 5/6 bolt open outlet and it was still shite, so its probably just a dud housing for the application. The T25 one your mate is using is a copy of the MHI unit GReddy uses on their T517Z (which his turbo is an exact copy of), so it should and does work well.

Re my comments that they were a lemon; I simply gave the best advice I could at the time. More than one person had reported that their surge ported T67s weren't on par, and one guy (Dori34) had issues which were potentially but unconfirmed to be related to the 3" 20g antisurge cover. Hypergear had also reported trials of similar style surge porting resulted in similar performance set backs, so I had accepted the data as reasonable at the time. As noted I am always happy to learn something new, which I do regularly when talking to you, but just didn't want to promote something I had my doubts in.

[Lithium]

The IWG housing on your friends turbo is fine, thats fact. I have done one of those T25 based housings myself and confirm its the shiznit. Works a dream.

Its this T3 housing thats a bag of shite:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-TD06H-25G-w-T3-8cm-V-Band-Internal-gate-/281118875035?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4173fd9d9b&_uhb=1

That housing is intended for some kind of US based car which doesnt have stellar performance from stock (so it probably works fine at low power/boost). Thats the only Kando IWG that has an issue, just to clarify. One guy even lopped the rear of it off to DIY a 5/6 bolt open outlet and it was still shite, so its probably just a dud housing for the application. The T25 one your mate is using is a copy of the MHI unit GReddy uses on their T517Z (which his turbo is an exact copy of), so it should and does work well.

Re my comments that they were a lemon; I simply gave the best advice I could at the time. More than one person had reported that their surge ported T67s weren't on par, and one guy (Dori34) had issues which were potentially but unconfirmed to be related to the 3" 20g antisurge cover. Hypergear had also reported trials of similar style surge porting resulted in similar performance set backs, so I had accepted the data as reasonable at the time. As noted I am always happy to learn something new, which I do regularly when talking to you, but just didn't want to promote something I had my doubts in.

Definitely not having a dig, you are right to raise it if you have doubts! Just be clear if they are doubts, or facts. We all do the best we have with the info we have at the time - I am just trying to make clear that there is further info which means that what people are treating as blanket rules aren't actually the case, and highlighting specific cases where that applies just in case it helps someone in the future. I think we are on the same buzz, end target is to refine a list of what ACTUALLY works it different situations and don't mind adjusting previous view points based on new information which may come to light, the mission is finding that info. My dig was actually at others who throw said info in my face, what that same kind of info should be invaluable to those it applies to.

In regards to the T517Z - interesting you mention it is the same as what my mate got (which runs the EVO 3 16G wheel) as I've seen a thread where someone reconditioned their T517Z using an EVO 3 16G as an "upgrade", but Kando treat them as the same place and other places mention the T517Z as having a 16G6 (the EVO 4+ "EVO16G" wheel, which is designed to spin the other way). Man its fun filtering through the crap sometimes!

[GTScotT]

ollolol yeah, sounds almost like an NS turbo thread. Nah its got this, nah its got that!

The E3-9 turbos all have the same 16G6, just reverse rotation on 4-9 (3 is conventional) as you noted.

Here's an official GReddy sheet that confirms the 16G6 wheel in the T517Z:

http://www.greddy.com/products/turbochargers/turbochargers-misc./filter:model:T517Z/

[Lithium]

Awesome, nice find - that clears quite a bit up... thanks Now to investigate what people are getting from the T517Zs... wonder if the TD06 housing will free up the flow a bit.

[GTScotT]

No worries!

In the case of the 18G I have done I honestly feel that the stock position housing could be holding it back somewhat. I have no evidence to back this up though. It made roughly 210kw with ease on a Mustang dyno. I've noticed knock here and there recently so may speak to Jez about a touch up on his current dyno.

You make me wish I'd gone a 16G6 on that car though

[Roy]

United 100 (still pump fuel), 550 Nismos, Nistune, Walbro, Cooler, Exhaust...Thats its basically

Thats a great result. I bought a TD05-18G but struck engine problems before I could get to test it back to back with the 20G. I was able to make 275rwkws om 100RON. Below is my Unite 100 tune with the Plazmaman vs the std plenum.

Be interesting to see how it goes against your graph to see how much more punchy the 18G is