Kando Dynamics Turbo

[Kane_R32]

Roy is that graph a 20g or 18g?

JEM recommended a FFP to lower intake temps. Worthwhile mod? Doesnt look like its making more power, just brought the curve forward (less lag) is this correct?

[Roy]

Both those graphs are my 20G. I dont have results for my 18G. I gave it to a friend who is going to run it on his SR20 Cortina

The Plazmaman plenum is actually laggier than std but the curve doesnt nose over at the top. For me I wouldnt put a plenum on an RB20. You lose torque and the only way they end up faster is if you absolutely flog the guts out of them with revs. I used to use 8,800 in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears and about 8,000 in 4th gear. If you care about the life of your engine I am not sure that is a good recipe for a std engine with std oil punp etc etc and 23psi

[Lithium]

No worries!

In the case of the 18G I have done I honestly feel that the stock position housing could be holding it back somewhat. I have no evidence to back this up though. It made roughly 210kw with ease on a Mustang dyno. I've noticed knock here and there recently so may speak to Jez about a touch up on his current dyno.

You make me wish I'd gone a 16G6 on that car though

Yeah, I had figured that I'd rather a 16G6 + TD06 housing than a stock position 18G for the same reason - the 18G is rated at around 40lb/min, the late 16G6 compressor maps show ~41lb/min at 2.4 pressure ratio, so it has all the flow we'd need at the boost range we'll be working with.

[Kane_R32]

There you go boys...

[GTScotT]

Lith stop giving me regrets! LOL it seems the 18G is obsolete, unless its completely application specific.

Kane the graph looks tops Good stout power for an RB20. Keep it on the boil and that would be a very quick car.

Stao should make bolt on TD05H 16G6 turbos for RB20s the same way he used the T28 housing to make his SS1PU.

[Roy]

Looks pretty grunty Kane. Looks like a good alternative to a 2530 with making better grunt.

A few things...I am guessing you are running 18" wheels? Is it an 8cm or 10cm housing? Also do you have cam gears and if so what are they set at?

[Kane_R32]

Roy, 17" XR4 Longchamps.

umm 8cm and no cam gears.

[Roy]

The revs and road speed dont quite match my run on a Mainline dyno with std diff and 235/40/17" RE55 semis. My road speed and revs match up prety well according do the AiM dash so I suspect your car may actually be a little more responsive as I suspect the revs are calculated from road speed? so perhaps a tad wrong with the rpm? I dont know how the Mainline dynos work out rpm.

Did Jem seem to think cam gears are a good option? I would be doing that years before I think about putting a FFP on a car

[Kane_R32]

I have a Kaaz 2-way, though unsure on ratio lol.

Umm it was only a brief chat as it was right on closing. I'm sure if I had a good talk I could discuss cam gears, and E85 hehe

[Ad's]

Ordered a td06 20g 10cm for my s2 rb25 now I have sold my other turbo that I wasn't going to be happy with the out come. Staying pump fuel for the time been and hopefully pull 300kw out of the old girl but ill find out in time, still have a a lot to do before the tune next year sometime but I can't wait to see the results.

[raZ1911]

Does anyone know if kando dynamics do front housings on their own?

I know they do rear housings, because i was thinking of changing a XR6 turbo to a the larger .70 front housing and then using the smaller .82 rear housing rather than the 1.06 they come with stock to compensate for the lag on the larger front. Just hope he .82 won't be too small for the 4L.

[scotty nm35]

There is very little lag with the larger front imo, it simply slows the air speed down a little in the outlet pipe due to the extra area. I have an aftermarket 0.7 housing here for a GT35 if you want to try it out before swapping the rear.

[GTScotT]

AFAIK Kando don't sell a 35R front housing on its own, and from memory the XR6T CHRA isn't a normal GT DBB core... So the backing plate on the front housing MIGHT be different. I really stress the might...

In terms of lag, I believe only initial spool up from idle/cruise conditions will be effected and only a minor amount. To my knowledge the larger housing will actually have better boost recovery (response when at speed).

That being said, you should hit up Scotty for his

[WMDC35]

Does anyone know if kando dynamics do front housings on their own?

I know they do rear housings, because i was thinking of changing a XR6 turbo to a the larger .70 front housing and then using the smaller .82 rear housing rather than the 1.06 they come with stock to compensate for the lag on the larger front. Just hope he .82 won't be too small for the 4L.

check with Stao?

[427]

anyone has tried this one?

http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/upgradeturbochargerrb20detrb25detwstage3turbine68mmcomp450bhp.aspx

[ARTZ]

yeah was one result posted somewhere..made like 270kw iirc....good little turbo...

[STATUS]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=467171293376355

not exactly a skyline but low boost and 2 x td06 l2's work a treat. Super conservative tune with only 13 degrees of timing.

[427]

mates, please help me.

so there is a big chioce of TD06 types turbos with anti surge, 15G 20G 25G and so on. but as I understand all these needs the wastegate (better then actuator), custom manifold and down pipe - am I right?

second question - if to choose the TD06 series - which model is the best one(minimum lag, fast spool, optimal for rb25det neo)?

and the last question - doen anybody have experience with bolt on one (dyno graph, feedback) : http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/upgradeturbochargerrb20detrb25detwstage3turbine68mmcomp450bhp.aspx

i checked the size of compressor and turbine - they are similar to Greddy TD06-20G:

http://www.ztechz.net/id1.html

[GTScotT]

The only one that is a 'bolt on' turbo is the one you linked. It is a T04E stage 3 turbine with what appears to be a 20G compressor. It has been hypothesized that it will make a good highflow and fall between the performance of a GTRS or 3071. So likely to achieve 270kw when pushed and reasonable response.

However, we are yet to see an actual result from it. I believe one was posted to FB at some stage but it hasn't made its way to this thread yet.

If you looking at something of highflow level have a look at a Hypergear. The highflows he does are tried and proven, with countless positive results and good feedback. A safer bet IMHO. His thread is on the main page like this one.

[Lithium]

Have booked the dyno to tune my mates S14 with a 8cm TD05H-Evo3 16G on flex fuel, we will go to full E85 and at this stage may go up to around 20-21psi. Will post results for that when it's done.

Do people realise (or have any thoughts) on the sentiment that the Evo3 16G is often considered to flow similar to the 18G? This fact was part of the grounds we chose the Evo16G compressor over the 18G though will soon enough know if that was folly. So far it happily pumping enough air to keep the SR20's thirst for air quenched, so seems good so far.

Also, I had previously posted ~3700rpm for full boost - that was rolling on throttle, later testing showed that it gets 19psi by 3500rpm in 3rd gear and holds power nicely past 6000rpm, compared to the old PE1420 which hit a wall before 6000rpm.

This turned out to be a very frustrating day on the dyno - after doing plenty of testing on the road before booking the tune etc, the thing decided to be a dick on the dyno and we lost a good couple of hours trying to resolve a major boost creep issue that we had never seen before. We ended up giving up on doing that with paid for dyno time (quite hard to secure a booking for this kind of thing) so we decided to try and make the best we could of the situation, which ended up being able to hold roughly 16-17psi up to 5800rpm and then try and get the boost control sorted later, then just tidy up the last bits of fuelling on the road as the main purpose of the dyno was really to get a picture of what timing the engine wanted on a variety of different loads and ethanol blends - which we achieved.

End result on E77 was 250kw @ 5800rpm running about 17psi with full boost at 3500rpm on a 9 second run which is pretty decent, I reckon. Power was still climbing with more rpm, so if we could have held 17psi the full way it would have made more than 250 at that boost level... and it was also very keen on power gains with more boost. We saw over 270kw on 20psi with soft timing at just over 6000rpm before we gave up on trying to tame the boost control, so there is plenty more power in this setup.

Unsure at this stage whether the issue is a Kando Dynamic quality issue or if something else in the setup decided to be funny, will update if it turns out to be a Kando fail however it must again be noted that the car never previously had a boost control issue - though it does sound like it may have developed a few days before the dyno and at the time the owner thought nothing of the cut out he experienced thinking it was something else.