Kando Dynamics Turbo

[ARTZ]

yeah i figured as much..looks slippery..

SimonR32 proposed a TD06SL-20G v band internal gate T3 flange turbo kit for $785 on ebay but i heard from some members the 8cm housing is too small

you could always ask Stao to make you up a IG rear housing to suit tdo6 ..should perform alright.. im sure he would of tried something similar before..

[GTScotT]

Hey hey im getting attacked by the kando virus today and now seriously considering a kando low mount(stock manifold) 280-300rwkw STREET turbo for my neo over the Hypergear, needs to be internal gate too so no stuffing around welding an external gate, basically looking for a 3076R/ SS1PU equivalent..if anyone can point me to the correct specced kando unit and dyno graph (so many numbers n specs), i will buy him a packet of chips..:winks

Sorry to break your heart but this is and always will be external gate land. The internal gate housings on offer are not what I would call optimal, you will need an external gate setup if you want to reap the benefits. ARTZ setup is the bare minimum for running one of these turbos.

Even for the questionable kando internal gate turbos you will need a custom dump which will cost atleast $500, your JJR bellmouth will be obsolete.

Hypergear has you sorted, off you go. SS1PU is for you.

[dori34]

Hahaj fair enough.

Well I just ordered a 3" td06sl2-20g 10cm. (is there a 4" and is anti surge make any difference?)

Not expecting it to arrive after Xmas tho lol.

Setup will be similar to artz;

Stock Mani

Gate welded to rear housing (size to be determined by my tuner either 40 or 44mm)

600cc hi flows

Walbro fuel pump

Haltech ps1000 running map sensor

Forged bottom end rb25 neo

Standard cams but VCT will be switched off. Still got no idea why it's grinding when VCT engages

Will be interesting to see of this makes 280rwkw + on 1.4/1.5bar

[ARTZ]

I'd think either 40mm or 44mm should be fine..compgate 40mm has a really small body, good if your trying to hide it..i was going to get it but I want to try running just on springs no EBC and see how it goes...finding springs for the Compgate was troublesome..so i got a tial 44mm with springs..if its not happy I may just get a gizzmo ebc or something..

[dori34]

Sounds quite responsive already jez, looking forward to your tune results

[rondofj]

GTScoT you just broke my heart...

[Hanaldo]

I'd think either 40mm or 44mm should be fine..compgate 40mm has a really small body, good if your trying to hide it..i was going to get it but I want to try running just on springs no EBC and see how it goes...finding springs for the Compgate was troublesome..so i got a tial 44mm with springs..if its not happy I may just get a gizzmo ebc or something..

If it's mounted on the rear housing, there is no hiding it.

Agree with finding springs though, it took me awhile to find the genuine Turbosmart spring I was looking for.

[dori34]

If it's mounted on the rear housing, there is no hiding it.

Agree with finding springs though, it took me awhile to find the genuine Turbosmart spring I was looking for.

You can get them from turbosmart lol

[Hanaldo]

You can get them from turbosmart lol

Yes, you can get them from a Turbosmart dealer. My local Turbosmart dealer wanted $110 for one spring. I ended up finding one for $40. It just took me awhile.

[dori34]

$110? Wtf.. that's highway robbery.

Artz; where did you buy your gate from and how much??

[GTScotT]

GTScoT you just broke my heart...

Why? The SS1PU is a sweet little turbo, just give it a go.

This recent backlash of melting AC grommets is rubbish, just make a heat shield of some sort and it will be fine. Or that alloy based race tape stuff.

To fully fledged do it right with a kando will cost more than a hypergear and will look no where near stock.

[methz]

mate 400 for ur intake now 110 for a wastegate spring. do u shop at all the retarded places available

did u pay someone $500 to install ur new spring aswell? lol

Edited December 14, 2011 by methz

[rondofj]

Why? The SS1PU is a sweet little turbo, just give it a go.

This recent backlash of melting AC grommets is rubbish, just make a heat shield of some sort and it will be fine. Or that alloy based race tape stuff.

To fully fledged do it right with a kando will cost more than a hypergear and will look no where near stock.

I'm not familiar with external gate setups and V-band turbos, just doing a fair bit of research on them, the kando my be cheap at 700-800 bux, but then the 44mm tial wastegates (whats a good cheap wastegate option?) r damn expensive and then you have to weld up the freakin thing to the turbo rear housing (is a screamer required or just optional?) And I do not understand why the rear of the external gate V-band turbos have a circular outlet where it bolts to the bell-mouth dump..Hence I will need a V-band adaptor or something to mate it to my JJR dump/front, correct???? Do I have to have a pipe from the external gate to the dump as well?? Sorry for these questions, I have only been concentrating on internal gate setups.

All this work looks like it will add up to around the cost of a Hypergear kit or more...so I'm un-decided... But then you get much better performance from external gate setups hey..

[Roy]

Just man up and run so much boost that you dont even need a wastegate!

[SimonR32]

I'm not familiar with external gate setups and V-band turbos, just doing a fair bit of research on them, the kando my be cheap at 700-800 bux, but then the 44mm tial wastegates (whats a good cheap wastegate option?) r damn expensive and then you have to weld up the freakin thing to the turbo rear housing (is a screamer required or just optional?) And I do not understand why the rear of the external gate V-band turbos have a circular outlet where it bolts to the bell-mouth dump..Hence I will need a V-band adaptor or something to mate it to my JJR dump/front, correct???? Do I have to have a pipe from the external gate to the dump as well?? Sorry for these questions, I have only been concentrating on internal gate setups.

All this work looks like it will add up to around the cost of a Hypergear kit or more...so I'm un-decided... But then you get much better performance from external gate setups hey..

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Genuine-Blue-Tial-MVR-44mm-V-Band-Wastegate-ALL-SPRINGS-/180768768264?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a16a88108#ht_730wt_1396

Cheap!

[luvpsi]

Any dyno sheets yet of a td06sl2 on a 25

[GTScotT]

I'm not familiar with external gate setups and V-band turbos, just doing a fair bit of research on them, the kando my be cheap at 700-800 bux, but then the 44mm tial wastegates (whats a good cheap wastegate option?) r damn expensive and then you have to weld up the freakin thing to the turbo rear housing (is a screamer required or just optional?) And I do not understand why the rear of the external gate V-band turbos have a circular outlet where it bolts to the bell-mouth dump..Hence I will need a V-band adaptor or something to mate it to my JJR dump/front, correct???? Do I have to have a pipe from the external gate to the dump as well?? Sorry for these questions, I have only been concentrating on internal gate setups.

All this work looks like it will add up to around the cost of a Hypergear kit or more...so I'm un-decided... But then you get much better performance from external gate setups hey..

Look I dont mean to be 'mean' but you are comming across very naive.

The V band rear end does not bolt onto anything... its a clamp in flange. It comes with a clamp and a V band ring for you to weld onto. You make a dump pipe and weld it to the V band ring then clamp it on to the back of the turbo. Does this make sense?

I said it prior and will say it again, your JJR dump is obsolete if you want to get an external gate, sell it. There will be no adapter you can feasibly make to adapt the JJR dump to a 3" V band. Just make a V band dump. And yes you can plumb the external gate back into the exhaust flow.

External gate setups can hold more power and get better boost control. For example you could run a tighter rear housing and be able to get better spool and power than the same turbo internally gated.

A good example of this is running a 3076 internal gate, you need a .82 rear end and people like Simon S14 have been successful running a .63 rear end with an external gate. Yet everybody knows the .63 internal gate had flow restriction and boost control issues. Simon S14 was able to exceed the power of the average .82 IW 3076 and get better response. The costs do have benefits but it is a BIG cost.

External gate does not sound like it is for you. I recommend you get your stock turbo highflowed using the stock housings. Unbolt it, send it away, get it back and bolt it back on. There is a lot of work in doing an external gate setup and you will need to know what your on about so you can arrange the works to facilitate the change.

If you can trim down your desire for power to a 250ish kw tune then you wont need an external gate.

[Hanaldo]

mate 400 for ur intake now 110 for a wastegate spring. do u shop at all the retarded places available

did u pay someone $500 to install ur new spring aswell? lol

Same place to be fair, they are simply expensive. Not the most expensive I have seen though. That's simply how much they charge, I didn't go in there and say "I will give you x $$ for x product".

I do believe that is how supply and demand works just by the way.

[t_revz]

Why? The SS1PU is a sweet little turbo, just give it a go.

This recent backlash of melting AC grommets is rubbish, just make a heat shield of some sort and it will be fine. Or that alloy based race tape stuff.

exactly. no need to give up on hypergear just cos the air con drain hose melts a little.

[rondofj]

Look I dont mean to be 'mean' but you are comming across very naive.

The V band rear end does not bolt onto anything... its a clamp in flange. It comes with a clamp and a V band ring for you to weld onto. You make a dump pipe and weld it to the V band ring then clamp it on to the back of the turbo. Does this make sense?

I said it prior and will say it again, your JJR dump is obsolete if you want to get an external gate, sell it. There will be no adapter you can feasibly make to adapt the JJR dump to a 3" V band. Just make a V band dump. And yes you can plumb the external gate back into the exhaust flow.

External gate setups can hold more power and get better boost control. For example you could run a tighter rear housing and be able to get better spool and power than the same turbo internally gated.

A good example of this is running a 3076 internal gate, you need a .82 rear end and people like Simon S14 have been successful running a .63 rear end with an external gate. Yet everybody knows the .63 internal gate had flow restriction and boost control issues. Simon S14 was able to exceed the power of the average .82 IW 3076 and get better response. The costs do have benefits but it is a BIG cost.

External gate does not sound like it is for you. I recommend you get your stock turbo highflowed using the stock housings. Unbolt it, send it away, get it back and bolt it back on. There is a lot of work in doing an external gate setup and you will need to know what your on about so you can arrange the works to facilitate the change.

If you can trim down your desire for power to a 250ish kw tune then you wont need an external gate.

Scott, many thanks for the useful info, and no, 250rwkw is not my goal, I want a snappy 280-300rwkw and that is why I have narrowed down the turbo to the SS1PU, and now reading all this Kando stuff has brought it a new competitor albeit in different ways to it being an external gate setup.. As I'm fairly new to external gated setups and learning heaps currently, I am tossing between the two and there seem to be quite a few on here who are saying good things about the Kando's fast spool and snapppy response.. If I can get the TD06SL-20G kit in 10cm housing for say, $700-750, a Tial 40mm gate for 320ish (or a cheaper just-as-good gate, options??) and $100-200 to weld the gate onto my dump, modify dump by cutting off bellmouth flange and welding V-band ring on (possible? issues?), then it sort of adds up to the cost of a HG SS1PU with actuator which is 1400ish....that is assuming I can get the fabrication done cheap, I know its a bit of work but not much..

Just one thing, are most of yous welding the external gates to the turbo rear housing or onto the dump itself??