Is Abs Good For Drifting And Have Fun With The Car

[streetboyz]

Hi Guys.how are you all.? is a Nissan skyline R33

with ABS is it good 2 have ?

and is it good for drifting ?

can some 1 tell me more about the ABS ?

for what it is good for and what it is not good for thanks ?

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

great for safety on the streets...

not great for motorkhana type events

[mad082]

great for safety on the streets...

not great for motorkhana type events

just use the handbrake.........

or a clutch kick...

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

i said motorkhana not drift.... it can involve lots of hard breaking depending on course layout, not just to get the car sideways

[Modena]

ABS has saved me loads of times on the street esp in the wet.

Really good safety feature when breaking as they dont lock up your brakes which can make your car skid out of control and crash.

Instead of locking up they gradually grab and release the disc brakes.

[mad082]

i said motorkhana not drift.... it can involve lots of hard breaking depending on course layout, not just to get the car sideways

i'm still yet to see how ABS would be a disavantage in a motorkhana. outright braking power will still be the same, and you get the advantage of still being able to steer while braking hard without the fear of locking up. up until the point of having a wheel locking up ABS is the same as non-ABS (you can still modulate the braking to be on the point of locking up and not actually have the ABS engage), but once you do lock up then the ABS is better.

[barraspalding]

Some ABS systems work better than others...

I read this topic as "Abs" not ABS...

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

in a perfect workd that's how it works, but in reality it's not quite that accurate

[R31Nismoid]

My ABS worked reasonably well @ DECA and with semi's on

Its always a fine line anyway between braking on slippery surfaces

[VB-]

i'm still yet to see how ABS would be a disavantage in a motorkhana. outright braking power will still be the same, and you get the advantage of still being able to steer while braking hard without the fear of locking up. up until the point of having a wheel locking up ABS is the same as non-ABS (you can still modulate the braking to be on the point of locking up and not actually have the ABS engage), but once you do lock up then the ABS is better.

good driver will outbrake ABS.

[mad082]

that isn't my point. my point is that a good driver in a car with or without ABS will stop in the same distance.

[R31Nismoid]

Of course a good driver will out brake ABS, I've seen it many times myself - but can you say that in every situation?

Unless you are epically well trained, you will jump on the anchors if say, a roo, jumped out in front of ya

And even with ABS on, if yuo out-brake it, then sweet. If not, then it's there to lend a hand

[Kinks]

If all the conditions are perfect, you're prepared for it and you hit the brakes just strong enough not to lock up then yeah you can beat ABS easy. But as soon as you "slam" on the brakes in a moment of adrenaline, you're f**ked. ABS wins every time in that 'panic' situation because it gives you the option of steering.

[Birds]

I've never seen how ABS can be bad given it waits until a wheel breaks traction before it engages...ABS either kicks in or you're in a slide...

No flatspots on my tyres after DECA...!!!

[shanec86]

i have raced both my R31 (no ABS) and my girlfriends R34 (ABS) on the same same and both had the exact same brakes r32 GTR drilled/slotted and R33 4 piston calipers.

there was a noticable difference between the two. The 31 felt like you could break harder before it would lock up a wheel although when it locked up you couldnt turn. The 34 seemed to lockup a little more, but it wasnt as noticable as such because you could still continue 'driving' on turn in.

my experience is for drifting ABS is not going to make a difference at all.

[UWAM]

ABS is generally not preferable in a racecar situation, because racecars get into situations not common to road cars, and any decent driver should not need ABS anyway. One easy example is a spin where you want to lock the wheels up, I've head of times when people with ABS equipped cars have lost all braking power because the ABS system was overwhelmed.

There's a reason why the Porsche GT3RS and Noble M600 don't come with ABS.

[The Bogan]

I cannot do J turns with ABS pluged in in my 33, I may just be crap but my old MR2 (AW11 non ABS) loved them.

And I like the felling of gassing it to the entry of a corner and then mashing the brakes without fear of my crapness flat spoting my $500 tyres which acording to my budget must last 1 year.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

ABS is generally not preferable in a racecar situation, because racecars get into situations not common to road cars, and any decent driver should not need ABS anyway. One easy example is a spin where you want to lock the wheels up, I've head of times when people with ABS equipped cars have lost all braking power because the ABS system was overwhelmed.

There's a reason why the Porsche GT3RS and Noble M600 don't come with ABS.

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[mad082]

Of course a good driver will out brake ABS, I've seen it many times myself - but can you say that in every situation?

Unless you are epically well trained, you will jump on the anchors if say, a roo, jumped out in front of ya

And even with ABS on, if yuo out-brake it, then sweet. If not, then it's there to lend a hand

and are epically calm. i've done driver training courses, etc that teach you about brake modulation, etc, but i've had animals and people run out in front of me and i can tell you that all of that goes out the window. you instinctively stomp on the brake pedal as hard as you can, and the closer you get the harder you push the pedal, regardless of whether the wheels are locked up or not. the reasoning your brain isn't consulted in these circumstances. it's all well and good to say about braking distances of a good driver in a non ABS car to an average driver with ABS, but that is in a controlled environment when they know they are going to have to brake suddenly. in an emergency situation that comparison doesn't work.

ABS is generally not preferable in a racecar situation, because racecars get into situations not common to road cars, and any decent driver should not need ABS anyway. One easy example is a spin where you want to lock the wheels up, I've head of times when people with ABS equipped cars have lost all braking power because the ABS system was overwhelmed.

There's a reason why the Porsche GT3RS and Noble M600 don't come with ABS.

porsche carrera cup cars use a version of ABS.

as for the ABS being overwhelmed, a lot of people do the wrong thing when braking with ABS once it has kicked in. you will get people who feel the feedback through the pedal so they start lifting off and reapplying the brakes or pumping the brakes. this is the totally wrong thing to do. you are actually better off just keeping your foot buried into the pedal and letting it sort itself out rather the confusing it by altering brake pressure. also i think you may find that some of the braking failures may have been caused by either boiled brake fluid or the brakes overheating and glazing up, and if you get warped rotors and add that to the mix with ABS then you are in for all sorts of dramas.

[VB-]

Unless you are epically well trained, you will jump on the anchors if say, a roo, jumped out in front of ya

yeah but how often does a roo jump out in front of you when your 'drifting or having fun with the car' *thread title*