Brembos Brakes

[Shannond]

hey guys

i have a skyline R33 and it is currently a 4 stub and i want to upgrade it to the GTR brembos just wondering if this would fit on it? and if not what do i have to do to make them fit on?

[R31Nismoid]

GTR Brembo's are honestly a waste of money dude. They are so overly inflated it's not funny.

If you just put a set of R33 GTS-t brakes on they will work out massively cheaper and offer pretty much the same performance.

[FineLine]

Got me stuffed why you and other continually can the brembo conversion ash.

fitting larger calipers and rotors to a car weighing 250 kg less is all kinds of win from where I sit.

I could get the sumi's to give in no probs even with good pads and fluid but the gtr brembos never showed any sign of fade or soft pedal.

I highly recomend it based on my experience.

[Tony de Wonderful]

GTR Brembos FTW.

[Shannond]

well i do go drifting alot in my car so i think they would come in handy for me and im getting them at a very very very cheap price put it that way cheaper than GTS-T brakes so thats why i wanted to know if they would fit

[R31Nismoid]

So you are getting them for $300 then?

Got me stuffed why you and other continually can the brembo conversion ash.

fitting larger calipers and rotors to a car weighing 250 kg less is all kinds of win from where I sit.

I could get the sumi's to give in no probs even with good pads and fluid but the gtr brembos never showed any sign of fade or soft pedal.

I highly recomend it based on my experience.

Because they are grossly overpriced for what you get. I've never said they were bad performance wise.

They are bad on a cost vs performance scale of the highest order.

With a remount of the Sumitomo caliper you can get a larger rotor and pad under it no problem if you really want.

Even without that - They are fine in my GTSR with 280rwkw, i can go on a heavy 15min mountain run and never have a problem with Ferodo 2500's.

If they aint failing in that situation, IMO that's a winner for a setup that cost less than $800

For the rough price of GTR Brembo's - You are better off jumping onboard the Wilwood Group buy:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/topic/350163-wilwood-big-front-brake-kit-group-buy/

People try sell USED condition Brembo's with pads/rotors for around $1500. For an extra $300 you are pissing all over that with brand new everything.

[FineLine]

Careful, You could end up in the wasteland with statements like that.

Comparing a 15 minute mountain run to track time is like comparing dame Edna to angelna Jolle. I used to think like that until I actually started doing track. the leap from hill runs to track is as great as the leap from street to hill run. Believe it!

I do agree about the pricing, I would not consider paying that money for a standard set of gtr brembos, the 34 version is an even bigger snow job, same brakes with gold paint and they think they're worth an extra grand.

I would however pay twice the price of a going set of sumi's, I believe they are at least that much better and if you do the same mods such as good pads and slotted rotors etc they simply murder the sumi's kitted up to the same spec.

500 bucks is about the going rate for a set of 33 gtst front and rear brakes and rotors, Start getting custom dog bones etc to get the rotor size up to that of the bremmbo and you are already getting close to what I consider the going rate for said brembos.

I paid 1100 dollars for a full set and considered it a fair price. I wouldnt pay any more unless they had upgraded rotors or pads etc.

Stock for stock or upgrade for upgrade they are a better brake than the sumi. How much you value that "better" is up to the individual.

[R31Nismoid]

Amateur drifitng isn't a 100% flat out 20min spirint either, so lets keep some perspective here

We've been over your pricing before - $1100 is a fken cheap price for Brembo's, and you know this. Just have a look in the FS section when they come up.

Usually not below $1000 just for the fronts (used rotor/pad), a full set is easily $1500 if not more. Some people get $2000!!!!

It's just ridiculous.

[FineLine]

Amateur drifitng isn't a 100% flat out 20min spirint either, so lets keep some perspective here

We've been over your pricing before - $1100 is a fken cheap price for Brembo's, and you know this. Just have a look in the FS section when they come up.

Usually not below $1000 just for the fronts (used rotor/pad), a full set is easily $1500 if not more. Some people get $2000!!!!

It's just ridiculous.

If anybody pays those prices for fronts only they are only after the name. the brakes theselves are not worth it.

I know plenty of people have asked for more but how would we know if they actually get the asking price.

I just sold a set for 1750 but I believe they were good value given they have top spec pads with at least 90 % left and slotted rotors.

And you are correct re amateur drifting, A good handbrake would be enough.

[Roy]

Well, a friend was good enough to lend me his R33 GTR Brembos recently for a track day at Winton. It was interesting as I had a set of DS3000s in there and the rotors were good condition std Nissan. I had never run a std GTR Brembo before on my car and was interesting to compare them against the Sumitomo R32 GTSt caliper on the same sized rotor.

They were, give or take about the same as the cheaper GSTt caliper adapted to the rotor. There was a tad more stopping power which meant I was able to pinch brakes a little easier, but that could have been my not having driven in anger in a long while.

In a 250rwkws GTSt on semis they were stressed and the fluid did boil. Didnt help that the pads were half thickness so the heat was going to get into the fluid quicker

But point is, if you can get the Brembo gear cheaply then its a decent enough upgrade from a 280-296mm rotor. If you can get good quality rotors and adaptors cheaply then just space the std caliper out.

But just keep in mind that the rotors are still borderline if you are doing 10+ minute sessions on the track in a car that weighs near std but with double the hp on semis in which case some of the 2-2.5k options should probably be entertained

[Tony de Wonderful]

Didnt help that the pads were half thickness so the heat was going to get into the fluid quicker

Not really a fair test then if you're running knackered pads.

[PaulosECR33]

if brembos were fitting front and rear would he have to change master cyl to get the full benefits or are they the same?

Edited January 26, 2011 by PaulosECR33

[Roy]

Not really a fair test then if you're running knackered pads.

They were hardly knackered. They were around 50% worn

[JAGR33]

So your saying R33/R34 GTR's will have the same braking performance fitted with GTS-T brakes???

I'd say on a lighter car the differences will be reduced but put GTST brakes on a 33/34 GTR and I'd be worried....

[MrStabby]

So your saying R33/R34 GTR's will have the same braking performance fitted with GTS-T brakes???

No he said "std GTR Brembo before on my car and was interesting to compare them against the Sumitomo R32 GTSt caliper on the same sized rotor" so GTR rotors with GTST calipers, which arent that much different to the brembos; 4 piston and IIRC the piston sizes are identical or similar.

[Bunta]

Th Brembo caliper takes a larger by a fair margin pad does it not? That has to count for somthing.

I also just picked up a full set of Brembos with slotted rotors and new pads for $1200 its really pretty good value compared to my other options which were fronts only of AP 4 potters with 330mm rotors or the willwood kit in the group buy and even then im saving $600 - $700 which can be used on good brake lines new BMC ect ect

IMO the Willwood group buy is the one that offers shite cost VS perfomance ratio

[Roy]

So your saying R33/R34 GTR's will have the same braking performance fitted with GTS-T brakes???

I'd say on a lighter car the differences will be reduced but put GTST brakes on a 33/34 GTR and I'd be worried....

No, thats not what I am saying... MrStabby got it. With the same sized rotor on my car , the difference being the GTSt caliper offset vs the GTR Brembo...both on a 324mm rotor (but with different pads).... I cant say there was a big difference to how the car was stopping. I have not driven my car in anger that much lately, so only SOP but my braking points etc were about what I remembered from the laps I had done at Winton.

Going from 280/296mm to 324mm rotor saw quite a difference in braking performance and general feel. So generally, i woudl go with the statement that rotor diameter and quality is more important then the caliper you are running, assuming both are similar sized calipers of OE quality