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I originally thought earth aswell since I know there are earths at that location on the loom, but he said they are coming from the positive on the fusebox. Only thing I can think off on the side of the engine that has live power is the starter motor?

Yep body earths. I had a quick look at the loom in my car.

I now realised that you ment that they are "part of" the loom that go to the positive on the fuse box, but you didn't mean it actually was that wire.

so i can basically attach those two wires onto the body of the car right? mmmmm then my car should crank and start up but instead it sounds like its got a flat battery even tho i got a healthy battery? mark dipstick is going good its all in etc lol

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